May 20 is ‘Everybody Draw Mohammed Day’

[bhavv]

From the Koran:

Sura (8:55) - Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve


Sura (48:29) - Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves

Sura (9:30) - And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah... Allah (Himself) fights against them. How perverse are they!

Sura (8:12) - I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them

Sura (9:123) - O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness

Sura (5:33) - The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement

Now what if someone was to say:

“Muslims are the vilest of animals…”

“Show mercy to one another, but be ruthless to Muslims”

“How perverse are Muslims!”

“Strike off the heads of Muslims, as well as their fingertips”

“Fight those Muslims who are near to you”

“Muslim mischief makers should be murdered or crucified”

Those are things taken from the Koran, but with 'disbelievers' swapped to 'muslims'.

the only ones who would interprete it that way are those like yourself, those who incite hatred in others.

The Koran itself initiates that violence, and calls for Muslims to behave that way.

The problem actually lies in the Koran itself, and nowhere else, E.G. in the quotes I just posted.

If you have a problem with 'incitement to hatred' (another absolutely ridiculous and BS politically correct term), then you should definately have a huge problem with the Koran and Islam in the first place.

The Koran is what incites the hatred in the first place.

 

[NeilF]

1) The idea of a flat earth, and another astronomical mistakes such as a stationary earth and moving sun were not invented in medieval times, these are Ideas that have been around since the dawn of human civilization before people knew anything about the world or space.

Indeed, and are utterly natural assumption with limited knowledge...

And who is the least bit surprised that ancient man placed himself at the center of everything, and surprise surprise concocted God(s) as the reason for everything?

Slowly and surely we've come to understand the universe we find ourselves in, and as we've understand what we didn't before, and not found 'God' hiding there, God has been been pushed ever further back... Where now he seems to be clinging by his fingernails to such things as the Big Bang.

Why would a God who created the entire Universe create so much of it? What was the point in creating a billion billion galaxies? What was the point in creating so much evidence for himself not existing? Why try and trick us? Indeed why even test us? Why not just either tell us he exists, or just create us all directly in heaven? Why be so vindictive and cruel?

And in this modern day and age when we obviously can see far more reasons for not believing in him, how is that fair? ie: Had I been born 500 years ago, I may well have believed in him due to my utter lack of understanding of the universe. Whereas today, I see no need for him at all. Destined to hell due to being born 500yrs too late? Hardly seems like a devine system...

 

[Amnesia]

usual hate speech

lol if you are going to post something then atleast post the whole chapter...was the Quran not written over so many years ? and there were wars over the years ?
maybe it was to boost troop morale before a war lol.

 

[Amnesia]

The Koran itself initiates that violence,

did it hit you over the head with a stick

 

[bhavv]

lol if you are going to post something then atleast post the whole chapter...was the Quran not written over so many years ? and there were wars over the years ?
maybe it was to boost troop morale before a war lol.

Only a complete idiot can use the 'waaah waaah out of context waaah waaah' argument to try and defend those quotes from the Koran.

The Koran is what incites the hatred in the first place.

Sura (8:55) - Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve

Sura (48:29) - Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves

Sura (9:30) - And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah... Allah (Himself) fights against them. How perverse are they!

Sura (8:12) - I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them

Sura (9:123) - O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness

Sura (5:33) - The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement

did it hit you over the head with a stick

Obviously you also have a comprehension failure of the above quotes.

 

[Amnesia]

Only a complete idiot can use the 'waaah waaah out of context waaah waaah' argument to try and defend those quotes from the Koran.

only a complete idiot would take it out of context and scream mommy look what it says now

 

[bhavv]

only a complete idiot would take it out of context and scream mommy look what it says now

Then since your such an expert, why dont you go ahead and explain what the context was meant to be?

I call your bluff. I have never ever once seen or heard anyone that uses the lame 'out of context' excuse actually go and explain the actual context, or what exactly is out of context in their opinion.

Anyone that genuinely can defend those quotes by saying they are 'out of context' is an immoral, and evil extremist IMHO, particularly when they cant even explain how they are.

 

[mrk]

Smooth, a site made by people with completely single minded views.

 

[Amnesia]

Then since your such an expert, why dont you go ahead and explain what the context was meant to be?

would it even matter what i say ?
YOU will go back in looking for hate and thats what YOU will come out with.

looking into a mirror bhaav not everyone sees the same thing....its more a reflection of yourself.

 

[bhavv]

would it even matter what i say ?
YOU will go back in looking for hate and thats what YOU will come out with.

looking into a mirror bhaav not everyone sees the same thing....its more a reflection of yourself.

No one went into the Koran looking for hate, the hate itself came from the Koran and Islam.

“Muslims are the vilest of animals…”

“Show mercy to one another, but be ruthless to Muslims”

“How perverse are Muslims!”

“Strike off the heads of Muslims, as well as their fingertips”

“Fight those Muslims who are near to you”

“Muslim mischief makers should be murdered or crucified”

It is Islam that divided the world into Muslim and Non Muslim, and nothing else.

 

[Dark_Angel]

I'm curious - what is the end goal of this debate, as in, what would either side actually consider a victory?

 

[Amnesia]

Anyone that genuinely can defend those quotes by saying they are 'out of context' is an immoral, and evil extremist IMHO

how will i sleep at night when you think of me this way

 

[Amnesia]

I'm curious - what is the end goal of this debate, as in, what would either side actually consider a victory?

there is no victory
there are little goals other than to insult and say we don't like your kind

 

[Amnesia]

It is Islam that divided the world into Muslim and Non Muslim, and nothing else.

and you feel so hurt because you wanted to be on the muslim side ?

you are in a funny mood today bhaav

 

[bhavv]

there are little goals other than to insult and say we don't like your kind

As the koran states about Non Muslims.

and you feel so hurt because you wanted to be on the muslim side ?

No thanks. I dont consider being hanged or stoned to death to be a good thing that I wish in any way that I could have had.

 

[Amnesia]

No one went into the Koran looking for hate, the hate itself came from the Koran and Islam.

really ? so you were just walking along doing your own thing and it dragged you into a back alley and beat you up.
wow maybe it really is a book from God.

 

[Angleboy]

I'm curious - what is the end goal of this debate, as in, what would either side actually consider a victory?

The total eradication of belief in islam, and eventually all religion.

 

[bhavv]

really ? so you were just walking along doing your own thing and it dragged you into a back alley and beat you up.
wow maybe it really is a book from God.

Strawman argument much?

Need reminding of what such passages from the Koran lead to? Heres a clue:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks

 

[bhavv]

The total eradication of belief in islam, and eventually all religion.

+1

 

[Amnesia]

No thanks. I dont consider being hanged or stoned to death to be a good thing that I wish in any way that I could have had.

then be happy that as you put it the quran has split the people into muslims and non muslims....if thats the meaning you got out of it as you dont have to be a muslim.
and those that want to live the muslim way they can live that way...if thats how you see it...everyones a winner yes ? ....ofcourse not, not in bhaavs eyes