I do hope you include yourself in that arguably rather disparaging assertion?
#MeToo - is it just different for men and women?
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I do hope you include yourself in that arguably rather disparaging assertion?
And that’s where we fundamentally disagree. Do you have any evidence that of those vast numbers, and significant proportion?
There will be a small number of people that lie or overplay their situation, like in any part of our lives. A lot of those are usually quite vocal, but that does not mean vast numbers or significant proportions of the women talking about their experiences are lying.
And as already mentioned in Fallon’s example he appears to have done a lot more than just accidentally brushed someone’s leg.
That leads on to the next point. Why do people suddenly come out of the woodwork? Perhaps because this sort of thing is systematic, and if someone’s done it once then it’s likely they’ve probably done it a lot more, especially if they’ve got away with it in the past. It’s one of the reason the police release the names of suspected rapists, to see if anyone other victims come forward.
Yes I’m sure occasionally someone pretends they’re a victim, but it doesn’t happen often. A lot of the time the floodgates open after media report because people suddenly realize they weren’t an isolated case. Strength in numbers also helps. A single report could be dismissed as overexaggeration/lies, but systematic abuse of multiple people is harder to shuffle under the carpet. That’s especially relevant when they are powerful people.
So we all have our stories about how we have been touched/groped inappropriately, and most of us are men. Why do you think then that most of the comments by women are lies? If you’re thinking it’s because groping and slapping of bums isn’t a big deal then that’s a personal matter and related to your ethics, not the law or the ethics/feelings of others. It’s already been explained why many women find this sort of thing significantly more troublesome.
Personally, the real question is alluded to in the OP, why does society seem to deem it acceptable for women (and other men) to act inappropriately towards men. Much like domestic abuse - as much as in both cases it generally is women being affected more - or shouldn’t matter about the sex of the perpetrator or victim.
Ironically it’s post like that that give creedance to all the complaints made by so many women, and an example of why complaints by women are taken so seriously in some places.
Edit: Ahh, remember the old days when “banter” used to be when you took the pee out of your mates and got it back in return, rather than being insulting and abuse to random strangers and people you hardly know?
What’s the definition of “repeated harassment”? Sure, you said once or twice that ‘they looked nice’, but so did the other 30 guys in the building, day in, day out, along with the other less savoury comments.
That’s the situation many women (and men in offices full of predominantly women) face. Not jus the occasional isolated comment from “you”, but a myriad number of “isolated” comments that day, week and month.
Again, the reality is the majority of the issue is not because of a “you look nice” comment, but rather cruder comments, along with perhaps more unsavoury actions.
Caporegime
I guess your wife probably does work in Shropshire, which seems to basically be a Narnia of cobblers.With this being the 200th post on the subject why do you sound sceptical similar discussions don't take place elsewhere? And why is Vonhelmet working in Dollars?I would have expected Euros to be his de facto currency....
As for euros... I'm not aware that Jeopardy! has been broadcast in a country using euros, but I could be wrong...
Caporegime
I've already explained my generalisation about men being stronger than women in the majority of cases... I note you didn't respond to that post once I made my comment a bit less general.
As for the other bit, I'm not going to backtrack on that. This thread does certainly feature a bunch of men basically bragging about not being women.
Soldato
Well at the current rate of attrition the Tory party could be a minority government quite soon.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41866970
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41866970
Man of Honour
Nice attempt at evasion but..
You're piling sexism on top of sexism and seasoning it with sexism. The only thing you add to your sexism is condescension. Which fails to do much to distract from the sexism.
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One way to reverse brexit, or make someone else claim responsibility.
I do not understand how the defence minister can say he has fallen short, yet remain an MP.
Ridiculous, you are either guilty or not, you stay or you go.
Preferably go, remove the DUP power.
Soldato
The party must surely remove the whip or they risk implying that MPs can but Ministers can't. It's a tiny majority, though, so they are treading a fine line.
Soldato
Could you quote a single example of that? I'm struggling to recall anyone brag that they're not a woman.
Caporegime
The tone of a great number of posts is along those lines. No one is saying those specific words, obviously.
Soldato
Ok, if that's your interpretation of what's being said then fair enough. I really can't see that myself, however I'm happy to leave it at a difference of opinion.
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1: Your guess is correct, she works in Shropshire.
2: You are wrong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeopardy!_broadcast_information#International_versions
Caporegime
I'm not wrong that I wasn't aware
Anyway, I still don't know whether it's been broadcast using euros. I know it was broadcast in Germany, for example, but maybe only when they were using marks... Anyway. The joke works in dollars, though I think it's fair to say we've killed it now.Ah yes that strange fetish where when some men want to talk about how life affects them or want to discuss their opions in forums either entirely or mostly populated by then that it's socially acceptable to denigrate them..... should have just come full out with a 'what about the menz' comment....
It's really very simple... I full well understand that in general terms unsolicited sexual advances/ harassment affects women more then men.... I'm not excusing sexual harassment but I believe the reason for the disparity in the occurrence of such activity is almost solely explained by inherent sexual dimophism between the sexes (for much the same reason as there are far more men in prison for violent offences - sexual dimophism explains the disparity it doesn't excuse the individual for bad behaviour) . Basically women, in generalised terms are not rewarded (in the biological sense) by being more sexually aggressive/ forward... Most men on the other hand have to take more chances to secure a womans attention... In a similar vein, in general terms, men and women value different things when looking for a partner. Men generally place more emphasis on youth and looks and women more generally place more emphasis on power and money when looking for a partner....
The inherent biological landscape is therfore a fertile breeding ground for more male sexual harassment of women then men by the opposite sex....
The problem I have with a lot of modern thought is a belief that differences in behaviour between the sexes can be explained by societal constructed 'edifices' like the 'patriarchy' and not inherent sexual differences.
I also think we are in a period of a bit of moral panic where the prevalence of sexual harassment and certainly the actual effect it has is being overplayed and it's starting to look a bit like a witch hunt....
This thread attests to a truth that men do receive unwanted or at least unsolicited sexual advances from women...
It just doesn't effect men as much generally it would seem
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Caporegime
I see what you mean about a moral panic, bit this sort of correction often manifests in that way. As awareness of something comes to the fore there will be a mixture of reactions, some over the top, some understated, some more balanced. The point is that there is a problem, and mocking or deriding those attempting to deal with it only perpetuates it. But hey, it's not surprising. Men are being told they can't misbehave and they don't like it because it's a disruption to the status quo. Men are losing some power that they never deserved to have in the first place, that they had taken by force over thousands of years. It's all progress, but it takes time, and people will buck against it. That's what this thread is, a bunch of men scared that they might have some inappropriate behaviour if there curtailed at some point.
the issue here is it now seems that simply making an advance towards a woman is being classed as some kind of sexual harassment. Society seems to insist that men make the move but we are now treating people making a move as some kind of sex pest.
This seems to be a common theme these days where something serious gets watered down as a way to attack people. It's the same with the people who scream racist at everybody and everything. Doing this doesn't help anybody and will cause more problems in the long run
Bunch of namby Pamby pc idiots more like
Caporegime
Was listening to R4 at work a few days back and pretty much every ten minutes someone was using the phrase "sex pest."
What on earth is going on in the UK?
A few politicians try it on with women a decade ago at work and suddenly they are scum.
What on earth is going on in the UK?
A few politicians try it on with women a decade ago at work and suddenly they are scum.