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Shots fired!
#MeToo - is it just different for men and women?
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Shots fired!
This is true I think, and I have no desire to downplay what is alleged to have transpired both in and out of Parliament over the last X number of years.
Every guy on this Forum who is in a heterosexual relationship, at one time probably had to initiate a “move” toward the woman that he’s with now, of course, some fortunate men were ‘hit on’ by their ladies, but for the most part, it’s normally a man who makes some kind of move to get a woman’s attention.
With me it was weak line in a pub, I turned to a group of girls and said to one in particular, “10.25”, she looked at me with raised eyebrows, and I said, “Oh sorry, I thought I heard you ask what the time was”
She, like all her friends, knew that that was complete horsefeathers, but seeing that I wasn’t so bad, (as she told me a long time later), she responded with a smile, and I ran with it from there, and we’re still together to this day.
Had I been an unshaven bum with yellow teeth and a dirty shirt, who leered at her, “Fancy a drink babes?”, she, a betting shop cashier from Peckham, would have very likely told me to “F.O., you ugly s.o.b.”
What I’m trying to convey, is that a harmless ice-breaker, especially when the woman recognises that it’s just that, should not put the guy breaking the ice into the sex pest bracket.
Just for a laugh, I googled "all women are victims". I half-knew what the result would be before I typed it.
There is a *prevailing* view in society now that yes, all women *are* victims. That they are victims even if they don't identify as victims.
There were at least two articles saying, "All men must share in guilt for cases like Weinstein's, whether they are harassers or not, because they have the power our male-dominated society."
There were plenty saying that western democracies are all patriarchies, meaning "women are victims by default".
There was a discussion on Mumsnet saying "If you support the hashtag #NotAllMen, you are a male rape apologist." Because apparently, the idea that not all men are rapists is mutually exclusive with taking actual rape seriously.
Plenty of people saying that "violence is almost exclusively a male trait" - despite this being factually and scientifically disproved.
Frankly it seems more and more like lunacy for anyone who isn't Brad Pitt, to think about flirting with any woman. It seems these days that if you have any kind of flirtatious encounter with a female you're a sex pervert, a harasser, and a criminal. Not to mention part of the patriarchy and part of the problem.
Where do we go from here? More victimisation culture; more PC?
There is a *prevailing* view in society now that yes, all women *are* victims. That they are victims even if they don't identify as victims.
There were at least two articles saying, "All men must share in guilt for cases like Weinstein's, whether they are harassers or not, because they have the power our male-dominated society."
There were plenty saying that western democracies are all patriarchies, meaning "women are victims by default".
There was a discussion on Mumsnet saying "If you support the hashtag #NotAllMen, you are a male rape apologist." Because apparently, the idea that not all men are rapists is mutually exclusive with taking actual rape seriously.
Plenty of people saying that "violence is almost exclusively a male trait" - despite this being factually and scientifically disproved.
Frankly it seems more and more like lunacy for anyone who isn't Brad Pitt, to think about flirting with any woman. It seems these days that if you have any kind of flirtatious encounter with a female you're a sex pervert, a harasser, and a criminal. Not to mention part of the patriarchy and part of the problem.
Where do we go from here? More victimisation culture; more PC?
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Victimhood is a powerful drug.
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It's hardly a prevailing view. Sadly there are some people that do hold that view - and these people self-identify as liberals and feminists - but they're absolutely not and much like some of the extreme right-wing types spend a lot of time inside their own echo chambers.
It's unfortunate and it needs to be challenged but there are plenty of sane people in the world too. Even ones that call themselves liberals.
A number of girls I know that once considered themselves feminist now are trying to distance themselves from that label due to it being co-opted by people that take it to extremes.
Close. I would say victimhood gives power. That's what concerns me about the current trend of being able to accuse people without any evidence whatsoever and there being no legal process to clear someone of said accusation, people can abuse it for personal benefit or to destroy someone they have a grudge with.
I just find their is a habit to pathologise male behaviour as toxic whilst women tend imo to have more excuses made for the aspects of their inherent behaviour that can be undesirable.
A classic example of this is hypergamy which effects women more and contributes to all sorts of undesirable side effects like women triggering most divorces and a not insignificant amount of women lying about the paternity of their children.
Another often excused (in women) aspect of negative behaviour is an increased tendency towards neuroticism which seems imo to be partially helping to feed what I view as an over reaction to the issues related to this thread
The flip side of the urges driving male sexual harassment cause woman to seek to dress in manners designed to elicit (sexual) attention from (some) men...
Very few men (relatively) place much emphasis on dressing, say for work, in a manner designed to elicit the increased attention from the opposite sex compared to their male peers than you witness with some women, especially younger women who will dress in a manner that is clearly distinguished from their peers.
I notice for example that people were defending a female mp sat in parliament dressed in a low cut top and rather fancy black tights in another thread on GD. Personally I thought, from the picture I saw, that her outfit was not appropriate for a workplace like the house of commons and firmly believe that if you want to be consistent that you must ask people to refrain from dressing in a manner designed to elicit increased attention if you also want a workplace where you seek to reduce the incidence of unwanted security attention
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Von's is one of the most consistently extreme (extreme PC) on this forum.
Post does not surprise in the slightest.
Dissenting opinions must always be labelled as either "right wing" or "rape apologists" or "privileged" or ... insert derogatory PC label here.
Predictable, boring. Unable to respond to rational arguments without attempting to belittle, deride and justifies this by painting the other side as some kind of undesirable. Character assassinations are the go-to tool for this poster.
What power? I don’t have any power whatsoever. However, articles?
I cannot find the clip of Edwina on This Week from the other night when she was on the sofa that seemed to be only saying the sensible things. Closest I could find...
I suggest those women who feel western societies are making them victims, move to the ME and are how they like those rights.
Don
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-41872427
Remains to be seen exactly what he's accused of doing, but if being "friendly" now counts as harassment god help us.
Remains to be seen exactly what he's accused of doing, but if being "friendly" now counts as harassment god help us.
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Yup it does.
"Hello I'm hornetstinger"
"AEEEIIIIII!! RAPIST SEXUAL HARASSMENT PANDA!!!!"
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/har-far-are-we-from-proper-sex-robots.18798772/
Who thinks that in a few years time we will be seeing commentary along the lines off....
'do you remember the good old days when men used to take the time to bother us women occasionally'
Even the more ardent extremes of feminism don't seem to be immune to the sorts of feelings sex dolls may cause in even the younger more attractive women of the future
Who thinks that in a few years time we will be seeing commentary along the lines off....
'do you remember the good old days when men used to take the time to bother us women occasionally'
Even the more ardent extremes of feminism don't seem to be immune to the sorts of feelings sex dolls may cause in even the younger more attractive women of the future
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I can foresee women huddled in little groups wondering why no one will give them a decent job! 
Just glad my wild oats were well and truly sown years ago, what a miserable country this is becoming.
Just glad my wild oats were well and truly sown years ago, what a miserable country this is becoming.
I can foresee women huddled in little groups wondering why no one will give them a decent job!
Just glad my wild oats were well and truly sown years ago, what a miserable country this is becoming.
Is that so? According to the press.
Man of Honour
IIRC he emphasised the military connection of his position, so it could be argued that his position is that people connected to the military should be held to a higher standard than MPs. Maybe particularly so if they have a senior position connected with the military. Officer and a gentleman sort of thing. Or possibly just that a minister should be held to a higher standard than an MP because they have a higher rank. More power = more responsibility.
It's a bit thin, but I think that's the gist of the argument.
Although I suspect that the underlying reason is the government's majority in the Commons, which is even thinner. May can appoint a new minister. She can't appoint a new conservative MP.