#MeToo - is it just different for men and women?

Dirk Diggler · 3 Nov 2017 at 07:56

Greebo said:
But how can they say that? His letter implies it’s not about about the knee but about several incidents which people would find unacceptable. These are oncidents which we are yet to know about.

So will these women be saying the same thing if it comes out he abused his position as a senior MP and sexually assaulted several young researchers? Not saying he has but clearly you don’t resign from the cabinet unless there are a few serious things

People can't make a judgement unless they have the detail. The only detail available right now is the complaint from the lady who posed in The Times in a corset and then took offence at a text message regarding it. Apparently his hand had briefly brushed her knee when they were out for lunch together previously. This incident has been portrayed as sexual harassment and he apologised for it. We have no reason to believe that any other incident could be much different until we get the actual facts.

If she had actually wanted to sleep with him, then that brush of hand on knee would have been met with a smile. It's a very thin line indeed, and apparently careers can be destroyed if the recipient isn't feeling quite as horny as the instigator.

A lot of women can recall a subtle brush of hand on bum, and they can also recall how much they enjoyed the sex that it led to. Because this is how adults move from a conversation to a sexual encounter, and that's why a lot of women can't grasp what the issue is in a case like Fallon's.

hornetstinger · 3 Nov 2017 at 07:58

Impose Sharia?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/i...2012-11-08/mcdonaldssegregation1352420776.jpg

G J · 3 Nov 2017 at 08:07

I have power over Women being male? Is being invisible to them that power? :mad:

Aa83 · 3 Nov 2017 at 08:09

Hey cool, a thread where some forum members seem to readily believe a powerful man over an accuser, and brush off sexual harrasment as something innocent.

marc2003 · 3 Nov 2017 at 08:10

hornetstinger said:
Impose Sharia?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/i...2012-11-08/mcdonaldssegregation1352420776.jpg

What are those women doing outside the kitchen? That's the real issue here. :mad:

Dirk Diggler · 3 Nov 2017 at 08:12

Aa83 said:
Hey cool, a thread where some forum members seem to readily believe a powerful man over an accuser, and brush off sexual harrasment as something innocent.

The powerful man isn't denying anything, so no one is believing one over the other. Try to read the actual words on your screen.

hornetstinger · 3 Nov 2017 at 08:16

Aa83 said:
Hey cool, a thread where some forum members seem to readily believe a powerful man over an accuser, and brush off sexual harrasment as something innocent.

I know from first hand pal, the system is used and abused.

Nasher · 3 Nov 2017 at 08:58

Aa83 said:
Hey cool, a thread where some forum members seem to readily believe a powerful man over an accuser, and brush off sexual harrasment as something innocent.

As above, the system is so abused these accusations should be taken with a pinch of salt.

hornetstinger · 3 Nov 2017 at 09:01

and now thanks to her, I have record for 12 months- if not longer. So if there is FT position or promotion aspect, who do you think gets it? Me or her?

It's a joke.

Nasher · 3 Nov 2017 at 09:03

So make a complaint against her. They will have to treat it the same. If they don't, make a complaint against the company

You gotta play them at their own game.

Rifte · 3 Nov 2017 at 09:05

hornetstinger said:
and now thanks to her, I have record for 12 months- if not longer. So if there is FT position or promotion aspect, who do you think gets it? Me or her?

It's a joke.

Does that also mean that if you leave your employment in the next 12 months that it sits on your reference?

Man thats sucks if so......

hornetstinger · 3 Nov 2017 at 09:05

Nasher said:
So many a complaint against her. They will have to treat it the same. If they don't, make a complaint against the company

Only if I can make valid complaints, because if they're false, then I bet they'll see it as "revenge" grievence.

However I don't think could find something that is gross misconduct, but I'll bide my time- if she says anything racist/homophobic/sexist then I'll put grievence in.

I guess making comments that management are useless/incompetent is not gross misconduct?

hornetstinger · 3 Nov 2017 at 09:07

Rifte said:
Does that also mean that if you leave your employment in the next 12 months that it sits on your reference?

Man thats sucks if so......

Or if I want reference for another PT job- that rules that out. Doesn't matter the case is complete BS

Nasher · 3 Nov 2017 at 09:07

hornetstinger said:
Only if I can make valid complaints, because if they're false, then I bet they'll see it as "revenge" grievence.

However I don't think could find something that is gross misconduct, but I'll bide my time- if she says anything racist/homophobic/sexist then I'll put grievence in.

I guess making comments that management are useless/incompetent is not gross misconduct?

But obviously their policy is guilty until proven innocent. So go for it

She made something up, so you can too lol

Dis86 · 3 Nov 2017 at 09:08

hornetstinger said:
Or if I want reference for another PT job- that rules that out. Doesn't matter the case is complete BS

Turn it on her. Go to hr and tell them she did x or y. It has the same amount of evidence as she has.

krooton · 3 Nov 2017 at 09:46

hornetstinger said:
I know from first hand pal, the system is used and abused.

So that means it should be scrapped entirely?

If only 5% of benefits claimants claim fraudulantly, does that mean benefits should be scrapped?

And to those that say women should just brush it off, I take it most of you don't have a girlfriend/wife/daughter, or do you believe they should just shrug it off too?

Dirk Diggler · 3 Nov 2017 at 10:40

krooton said:
And to those that say women should just brush it off, I take it most of you don't have a girlfriend/wife/daughter, or do you believe they should just shrug it off too?

I have a wife, who wasn't always my wife. I gave her a wee cheeky wink and a smile one day to let her know she floats my boat...

Chris Wilson · 3 Nov 2017 at 10:43

Women demanded equality in this country and are now present in workplaces where they would never have had access not very long ago. They need to accept some banter, even if near the knuckle, is a facet of the real world and either learn to deal with it in a professional manner or consider taking the veil and staying at home unless chaperoned. The situation is totally out of hand and wasting valuable time of those who would be much better employed bringing real criminals to justice. that dreadful Leadson woman claiming a risqué remark is akin to true sexual harassment is an insult to women who have suffered genuine trauma from a genuine sexual predator. if a woman hasn't had a remark like "I know where you could warm your hands" a few times by her age, from different red blooded males she should consider just what's wrong with her looks or personality. Women should have a few months job experience in a factory where ribald comments abound and see if they have the necessary social skills to deal with them before burdening our government with their precociousness. This trend will make employers even more loathe to take on young women, what with the cost to the company when they decide to have children but expect to have a job to come back to months later, and the potential legal costs fight specious claims of trauma from unguarded comments or the odd bit of ribald bawdiness. If you can't stand the heat, stay in the kitchen.

Avenged7Fold · 3 Nov 2017 at 10:57

TL : DR the above post:

Some women are now doing what was a mans job, so they should just get over it, especially if they keep in mind that they're burden to everyone else when they decide to pop out a baby.

krooton · 3 Nov 2017 at 11:24

Is Chris married? If so, I pity his wife.