#MeToo - is it just different for men and women?

[GGizmo]

Why would a man cross the road in that scenario? If the woman is uncomfortable then she is welcome to cross the road herself. I will cross the road if I am walking the same direction as a woman, it is late at night, dark and we are the only two people in the area. But if she is walking towards me then she can make her own decision to move over if she chooses.

I might have got the scenario slightly wrong in the woman is walking towards the man, as it would be a bit extreme to be crossing the road in that situation. Its a famous example, though I think it's more like how you said it ie if you're walking in the same direction.

 

[Trusty]

Apologies, he didn't no. He said she picked him up and consented to the kiss as you said.

I'm pretty sure he doubled down and pleaded innocence when he was told a non consensual kiss in Spain, if proven, could lead to a 4 year prison sentence though.



Sorry, that was in reference to the speech he gave a while later in front of the audience.

I took a passing interest in it at the time, but i remember her statement after he was forced to apologise.

Luis Rubiales' apology for kissing World Cup winner Jennifer Hermoso 'inadequate', Spain's acting PM says

Spanish FA president Luis Rubiales kissed Jennifer Hermoso on the lips during the World Cup final celebrations; acting Spain prime minister Pedro Sanchez: Rubiales apologies are not enough; Spanish FA calls meeting for Friday to discuss incident

www.skysports.com

but a statement released later on her behalf defended Rubiales.

"It was a totally spontaneous mutual gesture because of the immense joy that winning a World Cup brings," it read.

"The president and I have a great relationship, his behaviour with all of us has been outstanding and it was a natural gesture of affection and gratitude."

I just don't understand how we got from that to him standing trial. Just seems so OTT

 

[Pigeon_Killer]

I took a passing interest in it at the time, but i remember her statement after he was forced to apologise.

Luis Rubiales' apology for kissing World Cup winner Jennifer Hermoso 'inadequate', Spain's acting PM says

Spanish FA president Luis Rubiales kissed Jennifer Hermoso on the lips during the World Cup final celebrations; acting Spain prime minister Pedro Sanchez: Rubiales apologies are not enough; Spanish FA calls meeting for Friday to discuss incident

www.skysports.com

I just don't understand how we got from that to him standing trial. Just seems so OTT

It may not have gone as far as it did if he apologised immediately but his reaction was way over the top until he realised how big a hole he had dug for himself.

The Spanish FA didn’t help matters by backing him to begin with then throwing him under the bus the second the heat turned on them.

Ultimately, Spanish law dictates what is and isn’t acceptable and a non consensual kiss is now considered sexual assault. Just progression of laws and a changing of the times. What was considered acceptable a few decades ago, no longer is and he’s fallen foul of that.

 

[Trusty]

Ultimately, Spanish law dictates what is and isn’t acceptable and a non consensual kiss is now considered sexual assault.

Read what her statement said.

"It was a totally spontaneous mutual gesture because of the immense joy that winning a World Cup brings," it read.

Seems totally OTT to me. It's been mentioned by other people in this thread, but it does seem to be a case of him being made an example of because of some the cultural issues in Spain, like with racism in football. It comes across as he's on the unfortunate end of all this

 

[Richie]

You're thinking about it the wrong way. By crossing the road you are acknowledging your own strength and power of protection.

There is nothing more masculine from a man to be able to protect the vulnerable.

The protection trait is the main one women mention when looking for a partner.

Or you are looking at the wrong way and, by crossing the road, you are cow-towing to the feminist crowd and accepting their mantra that you, like all men, are a danger to women.

I don't need to cross the road to acknowledge my "strength and power" or "masculinity", I'm quite comfortable in my own self without needing validation from others regarding those things.

It's the entitled males who are the real victims here.

Cmon chief, you can do better than a cliche throwaway comment

 

[Pigeon_Killer]

Read what her statement said.

She came out and said she was harassed by officials to say it was consensual immediately after it happened.

Whether she was coerced in to saying it was initially and then wasn’t after is up to the courts to decide.

If she has any evidence to back up her version of events, he’s screwed.

 

[katie279]

This is the problem, there's zero evidence in these sorts of events, it's just 'feelings' and legislating on how I 'feel' is a terrible way to construct a legal system (see Scotland's debacle with hate crime laws)....

There's no debate over whether they kissed, rather how she felt.

If I was kissed, then announced I didn't mind it, then announced I did, then announced I felt it was sexual assault....what exactly is the value of a judge, jury, experts, the whole legal system bends to whatever I feel as I become judge, jury and executioner....

...I also wonder how many cases would drop if they banned any financial gains from cases.

 

[Trusty]

She came out and said she was harassed by officials to say it was consensual immediately after it happened.

Whether she was coerced in to saying it was initially and then wasn’t after is up to the courts to decide.

If she has any evidence to back up her version of events, he’s screwed.

Other way round, she shared a livestream of her laughing about it with her teammates on the bus.

Aparece un nuevo vídeo dentro del autocar de la selección femenina sobre el beso de Rubiales

Las noticias y los nuevos documentos en torno al polémico beso de Luis Rubiales y Jennifer Hermoso se siguen sucediendo. En esta ocasión, ha salido a la luz un nuevo video sobre la

www.marca.com

Her statement came after Rubiales's apology. That should be a line in the sand in my opinion.

 

[NZXT30]

Other way round, she shared a livestream of her laughing about it with her teammates on the bus.

Aparece un nuevo vídeo dentro del autocar de la selección femenina sobre el beso de Rubiales

Las noticias y los nuevos documentos en torno al polémico beso de Luis Rubiales y Jennifer Hermoso se siguen sucediendo. En esta ocasión, ha salido a la luz un nuevo video sobre la

www.marca.com

Her statement came after Rubiales's apology. That should be a line in the sand in my opinion.

I can't comprehend how some men haven't learned anything from the #metoo era.

Women lie and will also be coerced to lie against you.

 

[GGizmo]

Or you are looking at the wrong way and, by crossing the road, you are cow-towing to the feminist crowd and accepting their mantra that you, like all men, are a danger to women.

I don't need to cross the road to acknowledge my "strength and power" or "masculinity", I'm quite comfortable in my own self without needing validation from others regarding those things.

I can understand your view.

Though for me I don't cowtow to anyone. Maybe I'm strange. But I have an image of myself and as long as I don't compromise my own principles I will do it*.

I think some of it comes from the perceptions strangers have of me growing up that in order to be treated like a normal person I had to fit in by putting them at ease. So I might be more sensitive to the issue than most.

*I'm not typing that in some aloof way. I'm no better than anyone else. It's just how I think. If I can put someone at ease then I'll do it. Though it's not always appreciated by some women. I think some are brainwashed in to not accepting help, which is a whole another subject.

There seems to be an attack on gender these days. Whoever is behind it is trying to mix and confuse people so nobody is fully sure how their actions will be taken by someone of the opposite gender.

It is possible he might have misread what is acceptable for him to be doing in that situation. Having a kissing culture is more added confusion.

 

[Jokester]

Yeah, I kind of feel sorry for her, as this has really come about because of activists kicking off about it. She's just being used as a tool for their own ends.

I remember a BBC reporter interviewing spaniards on the street and they were shocked when pretty much all of them just shrugged and didn't see it as a big deal. I don't know what the courts will make of it, I'm not convinced this will be a jury trial in Spain?

 

[NZXT30]

Or you are looking at the wrong way and, by crossing the road, you are cow-towing to the feminist crowd and accepting their mantra that you, like all men, are a danger to women.

I don't need to cross the road to acknowledge my "strength and power" or "masculinity", I'm quite comfortable in my own self without needing validation from others regarding those things.

How about crossing the road for your own safety? All it takes is some woman to get spooked, scream and who knows what happens to you next.

 

[Richie]

How about crossing the road for your own safety? All it takes is some woman to get spooked, scream and who knows what happens to you next.

Because I dont feel afraid that it will happen as, just like the number of males that might ACTUALLY spontaneously attack women vs the number of men that won't, the number of girls/women that would make a spurious accusation based on nothing but a perceived fear of me attacking them simply for walking on the same street as them is very much in the minority.

Of course, it could happen. So could getting hit by a bus when I leave my home... I dont fear leaving my house though.

 

[tamzzy]

why are the feminists demanding that men cross the road? are women not equal? are women not capable enough to cross the road themselves?

 

[arknor]

There is a Piers Morgan clip (I know, I know but bear with me as it's not actually him this time) where something similar to what you state above is said and that boys are now terrified of approaching girls, primarily in their bumbling teenage years, for fear of having their entire lives ruined forever..

That was always the case anyway.... there was always the risk rejection leads to humiliation and then bullying.
unless you were one of the cool kids.

Why would a man cross the road in that scenario? If the woman is uncomfortable then she is welcome to cross the road herself.

most wouldn't they would just not stare at the woman, pay no attention to her and provide plenty of space for them to pass.

There's no need to be weird, just show you have no interest in them at all and stay on your side of the path towards the egde, probably better to stick to the inside as a man, so the woman has the buffer of the road


I walk really fast and I often walk dark barely lit paths across moors or through parks etc, anytime I see a lone woman I don't slow down... not my problem if I need to pass and they are scared.

stick to areas that make you feel safe, the same as most men do.

IDK why people think being a man automatically makes you safe on the streets, Men are statistically more likely to be attacked or robbed and most Men can't defend themself vs a knife or the types of people who do it anyway.

so our defence basically becomes the same as theirs, not putting your self in risky areas and running away.

Also I remember quite a few articles in newspapers where a woman travelling along with 3-4 guys, have for no reason decided to get the group to attack the lone guy.
let's not pretend all woman are princesses that need saving, they are more manipulative and devious than men.


Also Equality only works one way, they either want it or they don't.


shouldn't we be past talking about the differences between sexes by now anyway? it seems to be a modern thing in the last 10 years that bred a bunch of weak people scared of their own shadow, its not a woman thing it seems to be generational.

maybe not spending more time out doors as children and teens results in this.

it's like stockholme syndrome or something

 

[Richie]

There's no need to be weird, just show you have no interest in them at all and stay on your side of the path towards the egde, probably better to stick to the inside as a man, so the woman has the buffer of the road

See, if you had a wife/girlfriend you would know that the "proper thing to do as a man" is to walk on the roadside of the pavement as a protective thing

Amirite lads? Grrr *flexes*

 

[arknor]

See, if you had a wife/girlfriend you would know that the "proper thing to do as a man" is to walk on the roadside of the pavement as a protective thing

I thought that was only for kids next to roads and water


Like never let a child on a bike pass you on the side where the cars are
seems your speaking nonce sense


wow if you google the word google tries to hide the meaning with the first result

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popular phrase "FOR THE NONCE"

I'm dying

 

[tamzzy]

seems your speaking nonce sense

 

[NZXT30]

Because I dont feel afraid that it will happen as, just like the number of males that might ACTUALLY spontaneously attack women vs the number of men that won't, the number of girls/women that would make a spurious accusation based on nothing but a perceived fear of me attacking them simply for walking on the same street as them is very much in the minority.

Of course, it could happen. So could getting hit by a bus when I leave my home... I dont fear leaving my house though.

I didn't use to care whatsoever headphones in, on my own world etc. but I had a weird experience once coming back from the gym. It was my gf that pointed out how my safety could have been compromised. Women know women... Now I just cross the street for my own safety.

It doesn't help that they walk at a turtles pace.

 

[Deleted User 234324]

Yeah, I kind of feel sorry for her, as this has really come about because of activists kicking off about it. She's just being used as a tool for their own ends.

I remember a BBC reporter interviewing spaniards on the street and they were shocked when pretty much all of them just shrugged and didn't see it as a big deal. I don't know what the courts will make of it, I'm not convinced this will be a jury trial in Spain?

It'll go one of two ways.

1. He's found guilty, setting a dangerous precedent for every man/boy in the west, who even looks at a women/girl in a way she deems not right.
2. He's found not guilty, and the twitter mob/liberals go mental and start protesting for the sake of protesting. They don't want equality, they want power.