Monaco Grand Prix 2011, Monte-Carlo - Race 6/19

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Honestly how he can get punished for that when you can see going into the corner he has, both the inside line and is clearly alongside enough that another car choosing to turn into him is a dangerous move on the other driver. Even in the second last pic Hamilton is on the correct side of the curve and Maldanado pushes both of them over the corner.

Stewards are laughable and I can't for the life of me see how the Massa incident was really anyones fault in particular. Di resta, just ploughed into someone, there was never a chance before he went in of making the corner, in all situations when Hamilton made a move there was space to make the corner and he got well alongside both Massa and Maldanado.

How on earth can you see that footage and conclude Hamilton deserves a penalty.

I said earlier that I hadn't seen a replay but didn't think he'd done anything wrong, but to see replays and that kind of footage and actually punish Hamilton I actually honestly wonder if someone isn't out to get him.

If Maldanado had slowed down then turned and Hamilton just didn't brake and smashed into him(Webber last year for instance) thats one thing, but that, its a complete joke.
 
@drunkenmaster

The penalty from the Massa incident was almost unprecedented. I mean here we have a driver that overcooked his braking point, hit another car in the rear (Webber) damaging his front wing. Then turned into a car on the racing line. The ONLY person involved that had control of how much damage was inflicted was Massa. He should have unwound some steering lock. If Hamilton had altered his speed even slightly whilst they were locked together like that it would have cause extensive damage to both cars.

I would be interested to know whether the penalty would have been given if Massa didn't make a further and final **** up of driving on the marbles in the tunnel.
 
TaKeN said:
'That Trick' sldsmkd is purely them running **** loads of fuel through that exhaust system to get the defuser working very very well.

Someone feel free to correct me!
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Well yes, but as Brundel has alluded to, the throttle is a torque demand rather than a physical throttle.

Now knowing what I know, I could infer yet more by this,

For instance, the engine control is set to supply a volume of air at a particular temperature, this is probably as much as it can and as hot as it can at all times, but hey.

This is where the torque demand bit comes in, what the throttle pedal is actually doing is indirectly changing the engine timing using a function preprogrammed in the ECU.

So the engine delivers maximum air flow at maximum temperature all the time, the engine torque delivery is changed by altering the timing.

This of course goes completely against the point of having a common ECU.
 
Slam62 said:
If the FIA do ban the EBD by silverstone, I think it will be a game changer, JMO mind, the whole mystical Adrian Newey thing and the flexi wing all depends on the EBD,

IMO RB can run the car at a steeper rake because of the extreme use of the EBD, the front wing then runs closer to the ground for geometrical reasons, the aerodynamic load on the front wing probably increases with the inverse of ride height squared and hence the wing flexes and runs even closer to the ground.

The effect of the rake at the rear of the car is to create a larger volume defuser, normally this would stall due to insufficient air flow, however the addition of the engine exhaust flow at low torque demand, gives sufficient flow for the defuser to work. When going full throttle along a straight, the defuser stalls again and hence has low drag.

Basically the RB aero package collapses with no EBD. I reckon RB will struggle to get podiums if they do ban the EBD.
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I don't know how you get that final conclusion. Why do you think the Red Bull is always much faster in qfy then than the race?

Why does that gap dissapear on full tanks?

Even at this track where the DRS was used a hell of a lot less where you could run it where you wanted RB had plenty in hand. So that kinda negates the discussion that RB's dominance was lost on the sunday because of less DRS use.

EBD, well I suppose it depends on how much fuel it uses extra compared to non use? Could they be slightly heavier in fuel to run it?

I personally just think they have built a great all round package and removing the EDB will hamper them but not enough to stop them winning races. They might just then win 9 instead of 12.

I still fancy Vettel to break MS's record this year. So far no one seems to know why the red bull has such an advantage on saturday.
 
dannyjo22 said:
I don't know how you get that final conclusion. Why do you think the Red Bull is always much faster in qfy then than the race?

Why does that gap dissapear on full tanks?

Even at this track where the DRS was used a hell of a lot less where you could run it where you wanted RB had plenty in hand. So that kinda negates the discussion that RB's dominance was lost on the sunday because of less DRS use.

EBD, well I suppose it depends on how much fuel it uses extra compared to non use? Could they be slightly heavier in fuel to run it?

I personally just think they have built a great all round package and removing the EDB will hamper them but not enough to stop them winning races. They might just then win 9 instead of 12.

I still fancy Vettel to break MS's record this year. So far no one seems to know why the red bull has such an advantage on saturday.
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RB plenty in hand? Button was catching at 1.5 secs a lap. He would have been a whole pitstop in front if there was no safety car. Granted he needed no safety cars for it to work, but he was far faster than the RB's for a lot of the race. Track position however is everything at Monaco, something he did not have at the crucial times
 
Good race and a nice call by Seb. Not a track we had a advantage at,to slow. Happy with the result though even with Jenson catching us at over a second a lap on better tyres...passing however, as proved by Lewis,is entirely different. More points in the bag.
 
RB have had a lot of luck on their side. The McLaren is far quicker now in race trim, but the combination of a couple of poor overtaking tracks and the optimised blown diffuser of the RB is working in their favour. I really hope the FIA ban the blown diffuser asap. Not sure if it will make much difference, but clearly RB are using it to full effect - hopefully more so than the other teams.

Edit: Hami has apologised on Twitter:
Hey guys. I wanted to apologise 4 last weekends performance & also my comments after, I never meant to offend no1.

I would also like to say thank u 2 everyone on here, 4 their positive messages & also 2 the angry messages. I can respect them both.

2 Massa & Maldonado, with the greatest respect I apologise if I offended u. Both of u r fantastic drivers who I regard highly.
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Followed by:

2 my fans lost & my fans won, I wish u nothing but love & happiness. God Bless u. Onwards & upwards, Montreal next. Lewis
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Quite a few haters not accepting the apology though. No matter what he does he can't win.
 
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Yeh we have had so much luck...

The McLaren is very quick on race pace, guess we will have to start working on new bits. Canada will be a good test, McLaren were good there last year even though we cocked up and Lewis didnt have enough fuel to get back to the pits.
We will up the game again soon :)
 
Well you guys still have a massive advantage in quali - not sure when a team has been so dominant. Not convinced it is there in the race anymore though. Not sure it matters anymore anyway. Vettel just needs a few reasonable finishes while the others take points of each other.
 
I think a lot of people here are being harsh on Hamilton. I like him, I never used to, but I can see why he's upset. But, he lets that get to him on the track. He was quickest Q1 and Q2 qualifying, and then Q3 was robbed from him. That alone would have miffed me off because I know how much entertainment that would have bought fans of F1 with him sat on pole and Vettel 2nd. It would have kept this championship alive to literally have a week on week points struggle.

Sure, he made some rash overtakes, but that's racing. His interview could have been better, I doubt much will come from it. He's allowed to rant, he explained his comments, and that will be that.
 
Lucero said:
I think a lot of people here are being harsh on Hamilton. I like him, I never used to, but I can see why he's upset. But, he lets that get to him on the track. He was quickest Q1 and Q2 qualifying, and then Q3 was robbed from him. That alone would have miffed me off because I know how much entertainment that would have bought fans of F1 with him sat on pole and Vettel 2nd. It would have kept this championship alive to literally have a week on week points struggle.

Sure, he made some rash overtakes, but that's racing. His interview could have been better, I doubt much will come from it. He's allowed to rant, he explained his comments, and that will be that.
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I love Lewis to bits [always been a McLaren fan] and think he is just what F1 needs. Cant wait for him to leave McLaren though.
 
Yesterday miffed me because I feel we were robbed of a grandstand finish by some very odd regulations. They really need to block working on the cars in the event of a red flag.

It was hardly worth restarting it after that.
 
Tute said:
Yesterday miffed me because I feel we were robbed of a grandstand finish by some very odd regulations. They really need to block working on the cars in the event of a red flag.

It was hardly worth restarting it after that.
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I have to agree, we already banked on 2 cars in the top 5 regardless of position, would have been interesting to see Jenson have a go at Alonso [i guarentee that would have ended in tears] Seb thought he had enough in the tyres to hold them both off, unfortunatley,we will never know.
 
Nah :) just ignore a select few now. Not because they are anti RB but, because they spout crap lol. Could never leave here for long,well,until the boss clamps down again!
 
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