More PS3's sold than the 360 in Europe
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Hey I'm only stating the fact that the PS3 is outselling the XBOX360 and its userbase in Europe is now larger than that of the 360... Plus in Japan the 360 is an utter failure..
So ask yourselves.. Can it survive being a success in only 1 out of the 3 major territorries?
With the reputation of not only being unreliable but probably the most unreliable piece of electronic entertainment ever released.
These are simple facts gentlemen. Common sense will tell you where it will all end..
Ask anyone who doesn't give a hoot about about either console, present them the facts and they will all come to the conclusion that Microsoft already know..
If the xbox brand wasn't owned by Microsoft it would already be bankrupt.. I'm not dissing the 360 in anyway, its a great console, well sort of, except for its reliablity and noise issues, had these things been taken care of right from the word go, then it may have stood a good chance to better the PS brand.. That is what Microsoft was hoping for, much in the same way that Sony did over Nintendo and Sega, but suceeded.. Microsoft unfortunately have not...
It's not going their way, so Microsoft have really now got their work cut out for them... And the worst part is it's all their fault, they have no-one else to blame other than themselves.
Sad but true.
Can they fix it? ? ? I would hazard a guess as no, because the RROD has hurt its reputation and by far is the most serious problem facing the 360 and all future Microsoft consoles..
So ask yourselves.. Can it survive being a success in only 1 out of the 3 major territorries?
With the reputation of not only being unreliable but probably the most unreliable piece of electronic entertainment ever released.
These are simple facts gentlemen. Common sense will tell you where it will all end..
Ask anyone who doesn't give a hoot about about either console, present them the facts and they will all come to the conclusion that Microsoft already know..
If the xbox brand wasn't owned by Microsoft it would already be bankrupt.. I'm not dissing the 360 in anyway, its a great console, well sort of, except for its reliablity and noise issues, had these things been taken care of right from the word go, then it may have stood a good chance to better the PS brand.. That is what Microsoft was hoping for, much in the same way that Sony did over Nintendo and Sega, but suceeded.. Microsoft unfortunately have not...
It's not going their way, so Microsoft have really now got their work cut out for them... And the worst part is it's all their fault, they have no-one else to blame other than themselves.
Sad but true.
Can they fix it? ? ? I would hazard a guess as no, because the RROD has hurt its reputation and by far is the most serious problem facing the 360 and all future Microsoft consoles..
Let this thread die, you will not convert anyone or make those who disagree.. agree with you.
The truth, is out there.
Soldato
if only MS didn't use a lead free motherboard, not their fault as the xbox360 was classified as a "toy"
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yes i do.
couldnt agree more.
its actually been law for 2 years now, but most companies have been practicing that for a lot longer. i was building lead-free boards for CADAC back in 2002. while there can be problems cause by useing lead-free solder, to blame their reliability on lead-free solder is a cop out. you dont see sony suffering from it
the ROHS directive http://www.rohs.gov.uk/ was instated on july 1st, 2006 meaning no new equipment that falls under the EEE list (including computers and such) can contain more than the agreed amount of lead, which is a tiny amount. for solder, its 1000 parts per million. in fact, even the ps1's and there peripherals were rohs compliant. apparently, over a million accessories had to be recalled in the netherlands because of cadmium traces in wires used. this was back in 2002, 4 years before the directive was put in place http://www.rohswell.com/News/rohs003.php. Sony's original press release: http://www.rohswell.com/News/SonyPS1.pdf
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interesting, i thought it would have been more. for 50 million MS would want so too.
Wonder what the world wide sales figures are like.
No chance the PS3 is just getting warmed up for sure.
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we'll see
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its no shock really, the 360 has had a lot longer to sell, and the majority of people that want a 360 probably have one now, whereas the PS3 is just starting to get off its feet, so its more likely to sell in higher numbers.
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Agreed.
Also from wiki
"The PS2 is part of the sixth generation era, and is the best-selling console to date, having reached over 127 million units in sales by the end of 2007"
I wonder what console they will be buying next
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we'll see
Well Sony seem to think the PS3 will last 10 years. I'd like to think they have a better understanding of the market than any of us!
And it very well may.. If Microsoft decide that the 360 is the last of their consoles then who's to compete against the PS3 ....
No-one else will dare invest the millions upon millions to launch a new console.. It will only be Sony vs Nintendo...
I hope Microsoft do release a new console in a 3 or 4 yrs from now to keep the competition alive.. It's only good for the consumer... The problem is if they can't make the 360 profitable then its anyones guess as to whether they'll launch the next version... I'm guessing no... Unless they can turn it round.. The very deep pockets will help.. But you can bet some of the board will be saying lets drop this whole gaming division like a lead balloon...
Historically there's only ever been room for two..
This round up is starting to look like it'll be Sony vs Nintendo....
Caporegime
Sony vs Nintendo would be a disaster for the entire industry because they aren't competing. Sony would continue to screw over Europe because they could and the lack of competition for the 'hardcore' market would cause the industry to stagnate imo.
Sorry James I think you are dead wrong
Yes the starting point of the PS3 wasnt as good as we hoped/expected and it really hasnt moved on that much since release
However history tells us that the PS and PS2 both behaved like different beasts once updated SDK's became available after several years of public release - it seems to take Sony longer (maybe even longer each generation) than MS to get the most out of their machines but once they do, they are a lot more impressive than initial release (and this is nothing to do with the differing models of PS1, PSOne, PS2, Slimline etc)
The cell is completely different to any other kind of CPU used in a console before, so its likely to take more time to get the best from it (Sony/Dev's may never do it of course, but I just think this is unlikely)
I may be completely wrong and if so.....shoot me
I would just be very surprised if we have already seen the best of the PS3
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Sorry James I think you are dead wrong
Yes the starting point of the PS3 wasnt as good as we hoped/expected and it really hasnt moved on that much since release
However history tells us that the PS and PS2 both behaved like different beasts once updated SDK's became available after several years of public release - it seems to take Sony longer (maybe even longer each generation) than MS to get the most out of their machines but once they do, they are a lot more impressive than initial release (and this is nothing to do with the differing models of PS1, PSOne, PS2, Slimline etc)
The cell is completely different to any other kind of CPU used in a console before, so its likely to take more time to get the best from it (Sony/Dev's may never do it of course, but I just think this is unlikely)
I may be completely wrong and if so.....shoot me
I agree devs are just scratching the surface of the PS3's power, Naughty Dog said they was using about 20% of the available resources for uncharted. Still think thats the best looking game on the PS3 and probably of this current console gen, with the possible exception of GT5p. Sony have reduced the memory footprint from about 96 meg in total from FW1.8 to getting close to 47meg in the latest update, this frees up resources for devs to use.
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I may be completely wrong and if so.....shoot me
lol if im wrong then shoot me. i cant see things getting much better at all really. hopefully the standard of the poor games will rise but the AAA titles im just not sure about. the cell is great and they might well tap more power from it, but it's let down by the gpu. with multi platform games when it comes down to it, it always ended up in a graphical debate and the ps3 versions are pretty much all equal or end off worse. its been like that for well over a year now. Now i know all about the wonderful promises of things changing when the ps3 becomes the lead platform but when is that actually going to happen? i cant see the balance tipping in favour of sony as much as people would like to think, now. sony may well have a 10 year expected life span, but by year 6 i bet another xbox is out and by that point - its not really going to matter. MS would then have a more powerful and easier console to program for. that isn't good for sony.
if sony are going to pull it, i believe they are going to do it by being completely original which isnt somethign they've been too hot at in the past lol
so would i! id love to know why they got the ps3 to market a year and a half later than they should have done. one that graphically at least is really on par with the 360 when it should have been much better. they might know the market, but they always seem to act as if they are cutting their own feet off. remove bc from the 40gb - why? even if i dont use it on my 60gb, its still a selling point, and 'cost' is a rubbish reason, the chipset costs a few quid at most. thats just one example lol.
I love my little
p) ps3 and everything it does. blurays and sacd's are wonderful. oh thats another thing - sacd. why remove it from the 40gb? 
they could have kickstarted the entire format again - people with 60gb's and a hdmi amp have been enjoying some brilliant multi channel albums from the likes of floyd, snow patrol, peter gabriel, the endless amounts of classical material ect and thanks to the ps3 doing so very cheaply - but sony in their wisdom chose to kill it stone dead instead. great move sony!
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ok ok sorry everyone, Sony's SCEE President David Reeves is talking carp because Jamal here has a lot of friends with 360's...
I only just seen this.
STFU tool.