Other religions/cultures have integrated just fine
"More than 1,000 girls abused in Telford for generations" - Inquiry report published.
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Caporegime
There is no issue with letting people maintain and embrace their own culture in a foreign country but we have let far too many areas become "little country X". I understand why its happened. When many of these groups came over the country was racist and there was strength and happiness in numbers. You have shops that cater to you, people you know who speak your language etc. The issue comes when there is no effort over generations to integrate into the country and you still identify more strongly with your country of origin than the country you have lived for decades.
If someone can live in a country for a number of years and never learn the language or integrate with the local community then something is going wrong.
With our utterly ridiculous fear of being accused of racism though these things will never be directly addressed.
Caporegime
Totally agree. I'll make it clear though that I think this applies to a lot of brits that emigrate. They could do a lot to learn from the places they've moved to.
Caporegime
Oh 100%. I cringe when I see places abroad that are just little Britain and the only difference is the weather. Thats kind of my point though. If we went over to another country and did what some groups do over here, the same people that defend them would be criticising us.
Its pretty simple. When you go to another country you should do your best to learn their language and integrate into their culture. If you don't want to do that then you shouldn't go and live there.
Soldato
I think its more a cultural issue than religious. I've grown up around the Muslim community. The people doing this aren't strict Muslims. They might not even go to Mosque. Some drink alcohol etc.
A lot of people doing this use religion as an ice breaker to meet like minded people. These people tend not to be religious and don't listen to the Imam's or their parents.
We don't fully have integration of the communities. We're living side by side each other. Unless you have Muslim friends from school and you visit each others houses otherwise people dont tend to visit each others areas socially. So we have one community is trying to enforce a strict religious mind set, while they see white people going out at weekends getting drunk etc. Meanwhile many in the Muslim community end up going to gym's and playing sports.
There are people in the Muslim community who want to join in the activities of the white community. Some even go to nightclubs, drink, and socialise with women (something frowned upon in their own community). Most women dont want to be involved in that kind of situation because they know its mainly about one thing. So sadly this is why certain people go out trying to find vulnerable women and girls. I've no doubt money changes hands between the men, and its become that lucrative and depraved that we end up in the situations that are now being reported on. There is this sub gangster culture that as particularly thrived in some communities that is difficult for the older generations to control. The gangster element is what as corrupted the systems setup to protect these girls in the care homes. There is a lot of manipulation that goes on of the adults that are supposed to be protecting the kids. I think the cover-up's are more about the adults being embarrassed that they have unwittingly been manipulated and become involved in the facilitation of abuse.
A lot of people doing this use religion as an ice breaker to meet like minded people. These people tend not to be religious and don't listen to the Imam's or their parents.
We don't fully have integration of the communities. We're living side by side each other. Unless you have Muslim friends from school and you visit each others houses otherwise people dont tend to visit each others areas socially. So we have one community is trying to enforce a strict religious mind set, while they see white people going out at weekends getting drunk etc. Meanwhile many in the Muslim community end up going to gym's and playing sports.
There are people in the Muslim community who want to join in the activities of the white community. Some even go to nightclubs, drink, and socialise with women (something frowned upon in their own community). Most women dont want to be involved in that kind of situation because they know its mainly about one thing. So sadly this is why certain people go out trying to find vulnerable women and girls. I've no doubt money changes hands between the men, and its become that lucrative and depraved that we end up in the situations that are now being reported on. There is this sub gangster culture that as particularly thrived in some communities that is difficult for the older generations to control. The gangster element is what as corrupted the systems setup to protect these girls in the care homes. There is a lot of manipulation that goes on of the adults that are supposed to be protecting the kids. I think the cover-up's are more about the adults being embarrassed that they have unwittingly been manipulated and become involved in the facilitation of abuse.
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Good post Bowdon.
You might want to read any of the links in the initial op as the inquiry completely disagrees with this statement. They knew what was happening, they did nothing out of fear.
Yes that’s the point, they’ve integrated. That’s not multiculturalism. Integration and multiculturalism are diametrically opposed to one another.
Multiculturalism is encouraged nowadays, integration isn’t. That’s my point.
Caporegime
That's great and everything but disagrees with the findings of the reports. Good try though!
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That not what he is explaining. He is explaining the reasons behind why these type people do this type of sex abuse/prostitution.
The cover up and terribly handled postion by the police and social services is a true scandal.
Caporegime
You've clearly missed half the post then
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No, you have chosen to read it differently.
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Tony, we already know you can't read. I think the issue is more likely to be at your end. However to try and make it clear for you and those with similar issues of understanding please see the following:
That is all tosh. The reasons for the cover-ups are explained in the report. This is not the reason.
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Are you claiming that is half the post? You are certainly reading wrong.
The general gist if his post is that the people praying on vulnerable underage children weren't true Muslims because they were out partying/gambling and ignoring all the hadiths that govern Islamic law, because of this they couldn't get a nice Muslim woman. The post is, to put it bluntly, complete and utter ******** in relation to the grooming gangs.
Caporegime
Please feel free to highlight the sections from the report that corroborate that conclusion then. We'll wait.
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We will wait? WTF passive agressive nonsense is that?
Im not going to just keep repeating myself every time you want to put the blame on muslim because islam BS.
Police and social services handled it wrong for what ever reason. You wouldnt give much of care if it wasnt muslims. Give it a rest.
How are you liking Kents post if it is the opposite to what you tried to pull me up on?
Im not going to just keep repeating myself every time you want to put the blame on muslim because islam BS.
Police and social services handled it wrong for what ever reason. You wouldnt give much of care if it wasnt muslims. Give it a rest.
How are you liking Kents post if it is the opposite to what you tried to pull me up on?
Caporegime
Come on Tony, don't be scared. Corroborate it. You've not posted any excerpts from the report yet so you're not repeating anything.
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