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Colonel_Klinck said:
Its a cultural thing, that doesn't fit well with the anti Muslim rhetoric though. Priests didn't rape children because they were Catholic, they did it because there was a culture of it in the Catholic Church and the Church covered it up for hundreds of years. These men do it because their culture doesn't respect women and young white girls. Its like an extreme case of "she's asking for it" which used to be prevalent in our own culture not that long ago if a women was dressed in anything remotely revealing. Honour killings aren't religious but cultural.
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That's not true at all, there are elements of the different sects within Islam that specifically allow rape of the non believer - salafist I think. Its a 'small' percentage of Muslims but its there.

a very bad comparison would be the westboro baptist church, they believe what they are doing is following god's will with their hateful rhetoric, admittedly there's only a handful of them compared to the millions of muslims that are follow the more militant version of Islam.
 
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Colonel_Klinck said:
Its a cultural thing, that doesn't fit well with the anti Muslim rhetoric though. Priests didn't rape children because they were Catholic, they did it because there was a culture of it in the Catholic Church and the Church covered it up for hundreds of years. These men do it because their culture doesn't respect women and young white girls. Its like an extreme case of "she's asking for it" which used to be prevalent in our own culture not that long ago if a women was dressed in anything remotely revealing. Honour killings aren't religious but cultural.
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You think their religion and culture aren't intertwined?
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
Its like an extreme case of "she's asking for it" which used to be prevalent in our own culture not that long ago if a women was dressed in anything remotely revealing.
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No it isn't, "she's asking for it" was a form of victim blaming, it's not about excusing rape or saying that it's fine to rape women because they're wearing short skirts or went out drinking or left the house at all...

The culture doesn't exist in isolation and trying to deny the religious aspects of that is rather silly - why doesn't their culture respect young white non-believers? Are there any examples in Islam of say the prophet raping women?
 
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No cover up indeed.... The joys and benefits of multiculturalism indeed....
 
C Kent said:
That's not true at all, there are elements of the different sects within Islam that specifically allow rape of the non believer - salafist I think. Its a 'small' percentage of Muslims but its there.

a very bad comparison would be the westboro baptist church, they believe what they are doing is following god's will with their hateful rhetoric, admittedly there's only a handful of them compared to the millions of muslims that are follow the more militant version of Islam.
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and these men are all members of that sect are they? Because if they aren't then its like saying all Christians are like those of the Westbro Baptist church when they clearly aren't.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
and these men are all members of that sect are they? Because if they aren't then its like saying all Christians are like those of the Westbro Baptist church when they clearly aren't.
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Considering its the dominant version in regions such as Afghanistan/Pakistan I would say the probability is very high.
 
dowie said:
No it isn't, "she's asking for it" was a form of victim blaming, it's not about excusing rape or saying that it's fine to rape women because they're wearing short skirts or went out drinking or left the house at all...

The culture doesn't exist in isolation and trying to deny the religious aspects of that is rather silly - why doesn't their culture respect young white non-believers? Are there any examples in Islam of say the prophet raping women?
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Yes they blame the victim, its how they justify these terrible crimes in their head. I didn't say they were wearing short skirts, that was a comparison to what British white men used as an excuse, them being white is the short skirt.

If rape is fine within Islam why is it a illegal in Islamic countries? In Saudi they'll cut your head off in public for it. Iran death by hanging. Death penalty in Jordan.
 
There's some rather flawed thinking here:

Colonel_Klinck said:
Why don't all Muslims do it if its their religion that is the primary driver.
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If being an online incel was a big factor for the school shooter why don't all online incels shoot up schools?

Colonel_Klinck said:
If rape is fine within Islam why is it a illegal in Islamic countries? In Saudi they'll cut your head off in public for it. Iran death by hanging. Death penalty in Jordan.
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It isn't necessary, for example, Saudi only banned child marriage in 2020 and that faced fierce opposition from clerics... in part because guess how old one of the prophet's wives was. Or are you taking the position that having sex with minors isn't rape?

As for Iran:

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Iran registers 172 marriages of young girls between 5 and 9 years old

Iran registers 172 marriages of young girls between 5 and 9 years old The latest headlines on child marriages in
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Six Iranian provinces saw the most significant number of childbirths from mothers between 10 and 14 from March to September 2021.

The six provinces are Sistan and Baluchestan, Khuzestan, Razavi Khorasan, Golestan, Kerman, and East Azerbaijan. (The state-run Setareh Sobh newspaper – November 23, 2021)

The same data indicates that 290 infants were born from 10-14-year-old mothers in Sistan and Baluchestan from March 21 to November 21, 2021.

Mothers between 15 and 19 gave birth to 6,878 children in the same period.

The National Statistics Center (NSC) also announced that Iran ranks second after Guinea on child marriages. The legal age of marriage is 12 in Guinea and 13 in Iran. (The state-run Saednews.com– November 27, 2021)
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The other aspect is taking the women of the enemy, the othering of non-believers etc.. if you see non-believers as second-class human beings and you've got a religious book where the ideal man is some peadophile warlord who takes the wife of someone he's only just killed as his own wife then you don't see how that might have an influence re: whether young white/nonbeliever girls are fair game and that being underage isn't seen as a taboo?
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
Why do Hindus do it in India then? Rape is a massive problem there. Why don't all Muslims do it if its their religion that is the primary driver.
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This has to be one of the dumbest things you've come out with.
You're literally trying to apply the logic that only Muslim people can rape and that all Muslims must rape. Stop and actually think about how stupid your questions are there for a second.
 
dowie said:
There's some rather flawed thinking here:



If being an online incel was a big factor for the school shooter why don't all online incels shoot up schools?



It isn't necessary, for example, Saudi only banned child marriage in 2020 and that faced fierce opposition from clerics... in part because guess how old one of the prophet's wives was. Or are you taking the position that having sex with minors isn't rape?

As for Iran:

women.ncr-iran.org

Iran registers 172 marriages of young girls between 5 and 9 years old

Iran registers 172 marriages of young girls between 5 and 9 years old The latest headlines on child marriages in
women.ncr-iran.org women.ncr-iran.org


The other aspect is taking the women of the enemy, the othering of non-believers etc.. if you see non-believers as second-class human beings and you've got a religious book where the ideal man is some peadophile warlord who takes the wife of someone he's only just killed as his own wife then you don't see how that might have an influence re: whether young white/nonbeliever girls are fair game and that being underage isn't seen as a taboo?
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Before 1875 the age of consent was 12 in the UK We now consider that abhorrent. It wasn't that long ago 14 was the age of consent in several US states, Georgia in 1995 and Hawaii in 2001

The bible is full of heinous ****. I'm not excusing Islam here, many of its believers use it to do terrible things. These are men doing these acts though, we're hearing of terrible acts coming out of Ukraine and those Russians are Christians, are they doing them because they are Christians or is it a cultural problem? Its too easy to just blame religion and I've zero time for any religion, I'd happily ban all faith schools in the UK tomorrow and the country would be better for it. But just blaming Islam for the heinous acts of these man just leads to more idiots like Yaxley-Lennon.
 
Resident said:
I'm just going to assume that all those posters coming on to the thread and trying to derail it with whataboutery and irrelevant nonsense are all involved in some part of the problem of mass organised child rape..........
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well you'd be an idiot then wouldn't you. Maybe start a Pizzagate thread, it might be the place for you.

And no one is attempting to derail anything. Show me one post that is attempting to minimise the horrific acts carried out by these men?
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
Its not an attempt at a gotcha. Its too easy to just blame Islam and lazy. Rape of women is a cultural problem from that part of the world, these men come from that part of the world.
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And as pointed out when you have places that are Islamic republics and Islam has certain teachings, culture and religion are intrinsically linked. Heck the countries will kill people for 'blasphemy'.

Also curious...where are the Hindu or Sikh rape gangs in this country?
 
LOL standard... try flawed logic/bad arguments... if shown to be bad then insert deflection/whataboutery:

Colonel_Klinck said:
Before 1875 the age of consent was 12 in the UK We now consider that abhorrent. It wasn't that long ago 14 was the age of consent in several US states, Georgia in 1995 and Hawaii in 2001
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Even more evidence that integration is the key to any good immigration policy, and that multiculturalism leads to crap like this.

Whoever thought encouraging immigrants to integrate into one British culture is worse than letting multiple cultures coexist within a country is a fool.
 
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