It was more a commentary on you will see what you want to see
But thanks for the factual information! They are few and far between in this thread
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It was more a commentary on you will see what you want to see
But thanks for the factual information! They are few and far between in this thread
"It should be said that we still don’t know for sure all the details of the attack"
Still amazes me how quick people are to affilliate other terrorist activities at the mere mention of the word "Allah hu Akbar" - yet refuse to believe it when the words "Britain First" are provided by multiple eye witnesses.
Anyways - for those who still think Mr Muir had nothing to do with Britain First - here you go - Photo has Dewsbury Town Hall in the background - would you look at that, guess who that is stood in the middle?
Lemme guess - he was just passing and got caught in the moment arazi?
Maybe now might be a good time to come up with some phrases to describe the deniers
BF apologise-rs?
BF sympathisers?
But hey - I'm not gunna stoop to the levels of the known bigots here, jesting aside.
You have been asked a few times, what is the source of this image.
Correct, still nothing confirmed.
Caporegime
I can't say I agree: as with the killing of Lee Rigby, this is politically motivated murder rather than terrorism. I'll admit it's a vague distinction but I think we're too quick to call things terrorism and I don't think it's helpful to public discourse.
Man of Honour
Whilst it disgusted me having to visit it, I have found that image on the Britain first website. It's real.
Who the images are of is less clear to me.
Who the images are of is less clear to me.
Glad you liked it
And thanks for the suggestion I'll have a read of his post now.Edited: That's a huuge thread!
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Just because you think it doesn't make it reality
Well, it couldn't be me. And I would assume as the affiliate members of Britain First isn't that large, there aren't that many candidates...
I'm not saying it is, but don't you see your own bias? When you immediately call it a photo shop, then when it's shown to be on a legitimate website you come up with another flippant dismissal, can't you even acknowledge the possibility for discussion that this was a politically right wing motivated attack, just as abhorrent as a religiously motivated one? (Which you are happy to endlessly espouse about)
Yes of course it could be, i have never said it couldn't be and i don't think many have said it couldn't be.
Well, anybody mentioning it seems to be getting shouted down...
Maybe you guys don't like the extrapolation to tarring the rest of the people holding the same views (but not acting on the same impulses), a bit like all Muslims don't like to get tarred.
I haven't heard any right wing ideologists standing up and apologising for this guys actions...... (and why should they, hey?)
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Soldato
Funny, you seemed to be quite quick to jump on anyone who wanted to discuss the mere possibility a little while ago.
Glad you liked it
Edited: That's a huuge thread!
My bad, it was the wrong thread
It's the orlando one , here
post #854 + 855Though I do have a query for him about it
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I'm just thinking about the guy that has done this. From the photo issued in the press, the one of him sitting on the bench, I would say that he 'doesn't look quite right' and that was the first thing that struck me when I saw him, by that I mean I think he may have a mental health issue. He's a long term volunteer so that puts him on benefits, most likely ESA or similar. He appears to be fully active and physically fit therefore it's quite possible that his need for benefits points to the fact that he does indeed have some kind of mental health issue. Now mix this with being brainwashed (easily led too perhaps) and we have the ingredients for something like this.
I am speculating of course, but I think it's a reasonable speculation (if there's such a thing) and what this gives us is more of what myself/Freakbro touched on (we didn't actually touch, honest!) earlier and makes it all very complicated with all sorts of possible theories, claims, defences, allegations, pleas, outcomes etc.
I am speculating of course, but I think it's a reasonable speculation (if there's such a thing) and what this gives us is more of what myself/Freakbro touched on (we didn't actually touch, honest!) earlier and makes it all very complicated with all sorts of possible theories, claims, defences, allegations, pleas, outcomes etc.
Man of Honour
Local talk is all about him having had mental health problems in the past, getting help and then cuts meaning the help was lost potentially leading to issues with the state.
How much of that is true is hard to gauge, especially in light of the reported leanings or sympathies or ideologies.
Caporegime
Ta. I hadn't seen the other guys mentioned.
Soldato
I think it could be useful to know what sort of metal health issues. That go some way to being able to verify the theory of cuts to services.
Man of Honour
Yeah, I was keen to say it was local talk because that's all it is. There's no real evidence it's mostly conjecture and hearsay. He was known for being a bit weird but people will attach all sorts of things to that.