Netflix here we go again.

Eddie99 said:
Wrongful - (of an act) not fair, just, or legal.

Breaking the TOS is not illegal, fair and just is somewhat subjective and personal opinion. Therefore by that definition it could be argued that a VPN to get it cheaper isn't fraud but Netflix raising prices is.
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When you take out a subscription you are forming a contract.
The contract is for them to supply X and for you to pay Y.
If as part of that contract you are confirming you comply with their T&Cs, then your by default lying when forming that contract.

Its not illegal. But is is fraud.
Its bloody minor fraud and as such it would almost certainly not go anywhere beyond what I would suggest the maximum point of them trying to refuse to serve you.
 
john_smith said:
Where are people buying the Turkish Gift cards from?

I've got a virtual turkish card from oldubil. Been working well. I've approx 2000TL in it now and ative subs, Turkish based, for Netflix and Spotify. On the assumption that it wont last forever, buying giftcards for Netflix and Spotify would be nice.
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I use Bitrefill, but if you don't have crypto you can get them from g2a or eneba.

Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
When you take out a subscription you are forming a contract.
The contract is for them to supply X and for you to pay Y.
If as part of that contract you are confirming you comply with their T&Cs, then your by default lying when forming that contract.

Its not illegal. But is is fraud.
Its bloody minor fraud and as such it would almost certainly not go anywhere beyond what I would suggest the maximum point of them trying to refuse to serve you.
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How can it be fraud if it doesn't meet the definition of wrongful or criminal deception? It is simply deception. What if you happened to live in Turkey at the time you opened your Netflix account and continued to pay via gift card after moving to another country, would that be fraud in your opinion?
 
Eddie99 said:
I use Bitrefill, but if you don't have crypto you can get them from g2a or eneba.


How can it be fraud if it doesn't meet the definition of wrongful or criminal deception? It is simply deception. What if you happened to live in Turkey at the time you opened your Netflix account and continued to pay via gift card after moving to another country, would that be fraud in your opinion?
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The legal definition is far more nuanced than the dictionary.

If you moved and carried on then it would depend on whether the T&CS said you should not carry on with that account. If they do not say so then you would be fine.
Typically there would be a time limit in T&Cs, like 3 months to update.
 
The whole 'password sharing crackdown' seems like it was one big bluff?

My account is still being used in 3 different time zones, UK, EU, Asia without any issues whatsoever. This is the only reason I still keep my £10.99/m sub, as personally I could very very easily use other 'free' apps and have access to way more content, but the other users are not so tech savvy :p.

If they increase this tier though I will be cancelling. Really should try the Turkey vouchers route though, not got round to it yet.
 
Eddie99 said:
What if you happened to live in Turkey at the time you opened your Netflix account and continued to pay via gift card after moving to another country, would that be fraud in your opinion?
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"What if you don't lie and commit fraud when opening the account. Would that still be fraud?"

Lol
 
Jono8 said:
"What if you don't lie and commit fraud when opening the account. Would that still be fraud?"

Lol
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Eh? You wouldn't be lying if you lived in Turkey when you opened the account. It doesn't really meet the definition of fraud anyway, it's not wrongful deceit and it's not for financial or personal gain so it fails on both counts in my opinion.
 
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Eddie99 said:
Eh? You wouldn't be lying if you lived in Turkey when you opened the account. It doesn't really meet the definition of fraud anyway, it's not wrongful deceit and it's not for financial or personal gain so it fails on both counts in my opinion.
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No,I was saying that using a VPN/claiming you are in Turkey when you are not when signing up, would be fraud.

Obviously if you did live in Turkey, then it wouldn't be.

You seemed to change the scenario entirely.
 
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Eddie99 said:
Yes, it was a different question, I don't understand what you're getting at.


Except it isn't. I'd love to see it tested in court but sadly doubt it would happen.
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To act in a fraudulent way, or to commit some sort of fraud doesn't mean you will be convicted of it.

Saying that you live somewhere when you don't to get something at a lower price is still a fraudulent act.

I agree with you that it is not necessarily illegal, and the worst Netflix would likely ever do is just ban you for it. However, lying about something for monetary gain can absolutely be considered "fraud".
 
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Just a quick question.

I have a 4K TV and I'm thinking about restarting my Netflix account. Is the £10.99 a month 1080P tier sufficient or is the 4K/HDR tier worth the extra?

I'm aware that even with the best will in the world you can stream to match the quality of a 4K disc (to which I am an avid collector of).

Any thoughts on this would be greatly received please and thank you.
 
Tonytank said:
Just a quick question.

I have a 4K TV and I'm thinking about restarting my Netflix account. Is the £10.99 a month 1080P tier sufficient or is the 4K/HDR tier worth the extra?

I'm aware that even with the best will in the world you can stream to match the quality of a 4K disc (to which I am an avid collector of).

Any thoughts on this would be greatly received please and thank you.
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I watch the standard 1080p tier on my 4k 55 inch OLED and its perfectly fine to be honest. I have noticed some programmes/films seem better quality than others though. Some are very good even at 1080p and make me doubt whether getting the 4k sub would even be worth it.

It might depend on the size of your TV i guess. If you have a massive 70 incher then 1080p might start to look a bit obvious.
 
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Jono8 said:
To act in a fraudulent way, or to commit some sort of fraud doesn't mean you will be convicted of it.

Saying that you live somewhere when you don't to get something at a lower price is still a fraudulent act.

I agree with you that it is not necessarily illegal, and the worst Netflix would likely ever do is just ban you for it. However, lying about something for monetary gain can absolutely be considered "fraud".
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It's not for monetary gain so it cannot be fraud. Normally for it to be classed as fraudulent you would have to gain something at the expense of another. Netflix still profit from it and it still costs you money. If the option didn't exist then Netflix would get nothing as I don't believe it's worth £18/month so they haven't lost anything. They could easily crack down on it if they wanted to as it's very obvious if someone is never using it from their registered country.
 
Eddie99 said:
It's not for monetary gain so it cannot be fraud. Normally for it to be classed as fraudulent you would have to gain something at the expense of another. Netflix still profit from it and it still costs you money. If the option didn't exist then Netflix would get nothing as I don't believe it's worth £18/month so they haven't lost anything. They could easily crack down on it if they wanted to as it's very obvious if someone is never using it from their registered country.
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It quite obviously is for your own monetary gain though, because if you didn't lie about where you were, you would have to pay a lot more. :confused:
 
Jono8 said:
That makes no sense whatsoever.
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If I didn't lie about my location I wouldn't have to pay a lot more because I wouldn't have to buy the service at all. I had it for a few months around 2015/2016 but got rid as it wasn't worth the price for how much I used it. I didn't use it again until last year when I found out you could get it cheaper, but even now with the Turkish price rise I'm considering getting rid again as I don't use it that much.
 
Eddie99 said:
If I didn't lie about my location I wouldn't have to pay a lot more because I wouldn't have to buy the service at all. I had it for a few months around 2015/2016 but got rid as it wasn't worth the price for how much I used it. I didn't use it again until last year when I found out you could get it cheaper, but even now with the Turkish price rise I'm considering getting rid again as I don't use it that much.
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So if I lie on a loan application to obtain a lower interest rate, and wouldn't have taken out the loan if i had to tell the truth and get stuck with the higher rate, that would not be deemed fraud by you?

So you are basically saying that it isn't fraud as long as you would not have obtained the service/product if you couldn't lie and get it cheaper?
 
Jono8 said:
So if I lie on a loan application to obtain a lower interest rate, and wouldn't have taken out the loan if i had to tell the truth and get stuck with the higher rate, that would not be deemed fraud by you?

So you are basically saying that it isn't fraud as long as you would not have obtained the service/product if you couldn't lie and get it cheaper?
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Why would you take out a loan if you didn't need to?
 
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