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not if they have a good story to tie it in together
Watched both episodes. If you turn off your brain and enjoy it for what it is, then it can be enjoyable I found. Same with Orville. Not what I would have liked, but what can one do, it is the only Star Trek we will be getting so I will be watching.
I agree with everyone else. The Klingon's were terrible in every way. What were they thinking. Oh and Michael for a female?
I agree with everyone else. The Klingon's were terrible in every way. What were they thinking. Oh and Michael for a female?
Okay...so what is it?
If it's a prime timeline prequel, why does the Shenzhou look like a contemporary of the Sovereign class Enterprise-E? Why don't the Klingons look like they did in Enterprise or TOS? Why does Spock suddenly have an adopted human sister that we never heard about before?
If it's in the JJ-Trek timeline, why don't the Klingons look like that one did in Into Darkness? Why don't the Starfleet ships look anything like the ones from those films?
If it's a reboot, why are the showrunners trying to say that it isn't?
If it's supposed to be Star Trek, why does it feel like a generic modern (read: dark) sci-fi with superficial trappings of Trek laid over the top of it? Why is it focusing on one character rather than being an ensemble show? Where is the optimism of Trek?
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I'll try a few more episodes to see if they can introduce some actual interesting characters but from the first 2 episodes I'm afraid the most interesting characters both got killed.
The main character, Michael (shudders), is just as dull as dishwasher and unfortunately I just had no empathy towards her what-so-ever. I get the feeling they used the Vulcan upbringing as an excuse to ditch the "emotional female" character trope and to create a character that is free from typical human female characteristics. Unfortunately they made her dull, obnoxious and utterly unlikeable.
I really hope they can pull this one round and create something interesting from it but my fear is that it is going to be a load of SJW tripe of the garbage that regularly litters Netflix
The main character, Michael (shudders), is just as dull as dishwasher and unfortunately I just had no empathy towards her what-so-ever. I get the feeling they used the Vulcan upbringing as an excuse to ditch the "emotional female" character trope and to create a character that is free from typical human female characteristics. Unfortunately they made her dull, obnoxious and utterly unlikeable.
I really hope they can pull this one round and create something interesting from it but my fear is that it is going to be a load of SJW tripe of the garbage that regularly litters Netflix
Having seen the second episode, its certainly not my Trek.
It lacks a lot, but I cant put my finger on it, I feel like they're trying to keep some of the magic of the original show (Michael as Spock) but also trying to handle the other shows that have come, and been popular since TNG while also ticking the tick boxes that shows seem to think they have to tick from a diversity point of view these days...
It lacks a lot, but I cant put my finger on it, I feel like they're trying to keep some of the magic of the original show (Michael as Spock) but also trying to handle the other shows that have come, and been popular since TNG while also ticking the tick boxes that shows seem to think they have to tick from a diversity point of view these days...
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Couldn't buy the Klingon. I'm probably the only one thinking it, but I could only see the 'Alexander' child like petulance in his eyes. The same for a few of his muckers around him. Hardly the uniting Warmongering we saw in the undiscovered country, or the deception of Lursa and B'Etor from next gen. You can only do so much in the space of two 40 minute episodes, but the yeah lets do it setup seemed rather weak.
Obviously this sets it up for conflict with the empire, but I'm confused as to how they might play it. The one and done story arc, or the episode of the week. The former works so well when there's some sort of mystery or voyage of discovery involved, the later is old trek and might not play so well. Either way id Imagine plenty of fan service, given the intro, and that opening walk on the planet.
Obviously this sets it up for conflict with the empire, but I'm confused as to how they might play it. The one and done story arc, or the episode of the week. The former works so well when there's some sort of mystery or voyage of discovery involved, the later is old trek and might not play so well. Either way id Imagine plenty of fan service, given the intro, and that opening walk on the planet.
Klingons only resepct strength, we fire on them, "The Vulcan greeting."
They show up with 10 Vs 24+ for a fleet battle, do pretty well include destroying their coffin ship and martyr their leader.
That is a pretty strong show of strength of u ask me.
I researched it. It's growing on me. I hope we see more Vulcans. I still find it preposterous how from this scenario we move to any of the characters being on the discovery. Of which the design of looks years behind everything, oddly.
They show up with 10 Vs 24+ for a fleet battle, do pretty well include destroying their coffin ship and martyr their leader.
That is a pretty strong show of strength of u ask me.
I researched it. It's growing on me. I hope we see more Vulcans. I still find it preposterous how from this scenario we move to any of the characters being on the discovery. Of which the design of looks years behind everything, oddly.
2 episodes into a new series and you want the full back story of every character
*sigh*
Really? I mean...really? That was your comeback from that post?
So presumably you are absolutely fine with this being a sequel to Enterprise and a prequel to the original series, which means you're fine with all the anachronistic stuff even when it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. But more than that, you are absolutely fine with a series that offers up a wholly unlikeable main character while trying to make her the focus. Because who wouldn't like Michael Burnham, eh? I mean, all she did was nerve-pinch her captain and try to take over the ship and utterly fail at doing so. Oh, and then for a crowning glorious encore told the captain that they shouldn't kill the Klingon guy who was the Big Bad™ of the episode...and then killed him. There's lead character material folks!
No, I don't expect the full back story of every character. But I do expect to find a character that I like. In every previous Trek series the opening episode managed to show us a) the mission, b) the people who we would follow, c) who they actually were and d) why the hell we should care about them. Discovery has fallen short IMO:
a) they haven't shown the mission yet, because the opening two episodes have ended up being a prequel to the series itself
b) they've killed nearly all the characters who mattered in the opening two hours, except Commander Bone-head and Lieutenant Scaredy-Cat
c) I've got nothing here. I mean, okay we know Burnham was brought up by Sarek but was never heard of before now somehow because...we-e-e-ell...no, I've got nothing. I genuinely cannot even come up with a vague fanboyish answer that makes a shred of sense. And leaving aside Bone-head, the only other character who's staying around for the series itself is Saru. And all we really know about Saru's race is that they were prey on his home planet, which begs several questions about how they ever made it to space and the Federation of course...
d) go on someone. Please explain to me why I should give even half a damn about any of the characters presented so far, given that most of them ended the opening two episodes dead and the ones that lived were either faceless or moronic.
I watched Star Trek V: The Final Frontier the other night, and there was more to like about that than there was about the first two episodes of Discovery. That should say one hell of a lot.
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Sigh. Really you think my comment was a comeback? Really?
Let's reply to some of the questions you did put then as my comments weren't good enough for you.
why does the Shenzhou look like a contemporary of the Sovereign class Enterprise-E?
We don't know as there's only been 2 episodes
Why don't the Klingons look like they did in Enterprise or TOS?
We don't know as there's only been 2 episodes
Why does Spock suddenly have an adopted human sister that we never heard about before?
We don't know as there's only been 2 episodes
If it's in the JJ-Trek timeline, why don't the Klingons look like that one did in Into Darkness?
We don't know as there's only been 2 episodes
Why don't the Starfleet ships look anything like the ones from those films
We don't know as there's only been 2 episodes
Better?
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I have an answer for all those question in 1 simple sentence.
It is a new show, they took liberties, suck it up.
US gets the showing on Sunday eve, UK it's released Monday so should be an episode 3 tonight which is so detailed we have every single back story from the new crew within the first 10 minutes*
(*I cannot confirm this, not seen it yet)
(*I cannot confirm this, not seen it yet)
I read an interesting article about how Discovery has deliberately decided to break the "Roddenbury Box". This was his idea that because everyone in the future (and particularly Starfleet) were all happy and enlightened, that there would be no conflict from others on the crew (alien possession excepted). The crew would all work together, and all threats would be external to the crew.
In Discovery they've decided to throw that out and have inter-crew conflict, presumably to make the show more grittier and grown up.
In Discovery they've decided to throw that out and have inter-crew conflict, presumably to make the show more grittier and grown up.