The problem is that date isn't long after launch so you may face the same problem of being able to find somewhere that has it in stock. You could potentially save around £40+ depending on how much you buy along with the console, this is assuming you get an exchange rate close to the real one.
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The problem is that date isn't long after launch so you may face the same problem of being able to find somewhere that has it in stock. You could potentially save around £40+ depending on how much you buy along with the console, this is assuming you get an exchange rate close to the real one.
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Nintendo made themselves an easy target with the price point £350 to play basically 1 game is steep when it is not top tier console
To be fair the Xbox One was released with more than one questionable marketing/design choices. They deserved all the hate they got IMO but the masses have stood by them despite their plans for restrictive DRM, forcing a useless optional accessory on us at the expense of higher RRP/console spec and their outright arrogance throughout the whole debacle.
Nintendo is an easy target too because on face value they're releasing another lower spec console but it's more expensive than the competition. In the long run, after a price drop, I can see the console doing well as a handheld but the gaming masses don't see any value of the handheld feature.
Nintendo is an easy target too because on face value they're releasing another lower spec console but it's more expensive than the competition. In the long run, after a price drop, I can see the console doing well as a handheld but the gaming masses don't see any value of the handheld feature.
I don't think it is the same to compare though. Nintendo needed to sell millions of their console, Nvidia on the other hand seem to only be able to produce so many of those cards and they are selling anyway, as I recall they were even out of stock for a while.
I am not defending Nvidia's naming. But to me from a business point of view Nintendo naming the console Wii U is infinitely more stupid than Nvidia keeping the same name and adding pascal to the end of their GPU. Completely different audiences.
True. But I also think it is because expectations are not met. With the PS4 and Xbone as I recall they seemed underpowered. With the Switch it is over priced and lack of launch titles. Had the Switch been £200 like we thought it might be, not many would be complaining. There would be some who inevitably would find something to complain about though. Like for example, even at £200 for the console, someone is bound to say £50 for an last gen graphics game? Bla bla...
I'll be visiting the Nintendo store and even if I can't get the console I might pick up games and accessories.
Exactly the reason why I'll pre-order the console bundle when and if Monster Hunter makes it's way onto the Switch, regardless of my dislike of how Switch is being handled by Nintendo. Fingers crossed it would include the Pro controller like the WiiU bundle did.
I agree and that's why the Fire Emblem Direct upset me so, because it made it look like that Nintendo doesn't have the balls to go all out on the Switch. Being a sole platform can only be good for the Switch, especially in terms of the number of games it would get.
True that, but once again, Nintendo handled it badly, it could have been less infuriating. As Quixote said, an iteration with better battery life and such wouldn't be a bad idea and that's exactly what the 3DS did. The 3DS XL improved on battery life over the original model.
Also as mentioned above, the option for SKUs without the dock is entirely a real possibility. Considering that the dock can be bought seperately if one wants it later, they could sell the dockless Switch for £50 less (considering how much the dock costs on it's own) and it would be a whole lot more competitive as a handheld gaming device. A screenless Switch on the other-hand is more difficult. But Sony themselves tried it with the PSTV, so it's not impossible.
There's still been rumours that there is the possibility of docks with hardware upgrades in the future, so that could be an alternative as opposed to outright full iterations of the Switch. Just release a 'super-dock' which would be cheaper than buying the whole package again. It would be more accessible for consumers too, as all they'd have to do would be to buy one potentially pricey accessory.
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Indeed, there was the earlier idea of the SCU dock with the 1060-derived GPU.
It may well be possible that Nintendo's plan is that they will knock out the 'upto 1080p' Switch as standard [it's still after all more powerful than the WiiU), with the portable side of things being consistant for battery reasons etc, but with a dock upgrade to allow 4K play/processing upgrade when docked later.
A consistant argument I've seen is that the reason Nintendo opted for a Maxwell-based Tegra chip is because A) Nvidia did them an absolutely stunning cost per chip for the unit, and B) Nvidia couldn't have a Pascal orientated Tegra available in the numbers they needed soon enough; B may have also played into A as Nvidia have been rumoured to have been desperate for a hardware deal.
Part of said deal may have been that Nintendo would recieve the hardware for a working Switch device now, with Nvidia to provide them upgrade SKU's for a '4K' dock at a later date. Nvidia will have been working with Nintendo on the APIs and hardware, so it wouldn't be unbelievable that part of the deal involved Nvidia having to ensure that the new Pascal hardware slot in would work well with no/minimal dev hassle, sort of similar to how PS4 devs have some 'profiles' for the Neo.
Recently Reggie Fils-Aime stated Nintendo would provide 3rd parties everything they need with the Switch, and providing an augmented home experience later on, with an SKU with increased processing may well tie into that, as that will allow the 3rd parties the power they want for easier ports, but they can begin getting used to the APIs and platform now.
As it stands, it would also be a semi-smart move on thier part; they can sell the standalone Switch unit to Nintendo diehards/wider fanbase with the standard unit (who wouldn't want to pay more for more powerful hardware) and enable the market to move on from the WiiU which has not been an overall sucess for them, begin to consolidate the home and portable dev teams around common hardware, and then try to recapture further market later on with an augmented base unit/home console segment ala the PS4 Neo, which they could either release as a bundle (Switch+) or as an aftermarket upgrade. If they did indeed go with something close to a 1060 GPU, that would be more powerful than anything in any of the current consoles, especially if the enhanced dock contains additional CPU/RAM resource.
My feelings are they want to get away from the WiiU as quick as possible. You can only hope that if some of the younger bods inside Nintendo are having more input on the Switch, something like this may indeed be in the pipework and they aren't being entirely deaf to the wider 3rd party dev betwork and international markets.
It may well be possible that Nintendo's plan is that they will knock out the 'upto 1080p' Switch as standard [it's still after all more powerful than the WiiU), with the portable side of things being consistant for battery reasons etc, but with a dock upgrade to allow 4K play/processing upgrade when docked later.
A consistant argument I've seen is that the reason Nintendo opted for a Maxwell-based Tegra chip is because A) Nvidia did them an absolutely stunning cost per chip for the unit, and B) Nvidia couldn't have a Pascal orientated Tegra available in the numbers they needed soon enough; B may have also played into A as Nvidia have been rumoured to have been desperate for a hardware deal.
Part of said deal may have been that Nintendo would recieve the hardware for a working Switch device now, with Nvidia to provide them upgrade SKU's for a '4K' dock at a later date. Nvidia will have been working with Nintendo on the APIs and hardware, so it wouldn't be unbelievable that part of the deal involved Nvidia having to ensure that the new Pascal hardware slot in would work well with no/minimal dev hassle, sort of similar to how PS4 devs have some 'profiles' for the Neo.
Recently Reggie Fils-Aime stated Nintendo would provide 3rd parties everything they need with the Switch, and providing an augmented home experience later on, with an SKU with increased processing may well tie into that, as that will allow the 3rd parties the power they want for easier ports, but they can begin getting used to the APIs and platform now.
As it stands, it would also be a semi-smart move on thier part; they can sell the standalone Switch unit to Nintendo diehards/wider fanbase with the standard unit (who wouldn't want to pay more for more powerful hardware) and enable the market to move on from the WiiU which has not been an overall sucess for them, begin to consolidate the home and portable dev teams around common hardware, and then try to recapture further market later on with an augmented base unit/home console segment ala the PS4 Neo, which they could either release as a bundle (Switch+) or as an aftermarket upgrade. If they did indeed go with something close to a 1060 GPU, that would be more powerful than anything in any of the current consoles, especially if the enhanced dock contains additional CPU/RAM resource.
My feelings are they want to get away from the WiiU as quick as possible. You can only hope that if some of the younger bods inside Nintendo are having more input on the Switch, something like this may indeed be in the pipework and they aren't being entirely deaf to the wider 3rd party dev betwork and international markets.
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This all stinks of the Sega Mega Drive era with the million add-ons that no one ever bought and therefore no developers ever utilised.
Fragmenting your audience like that it a really bad idea, and power is not the issue with this console. A fair entry price (removing the dock will not remove more than £15-20) and a steady stream of great first party games are what this console needs.
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I agree, but it wouldn't be the first time Nintendo has fragmented the console (New3DS/N64 Expansion pack to name a few). The SCU would at least allow them to address 4K/devs/others crying out the hardware is underpowered for a home console at a later date, the handheld side of things is fine, and a very big margin over the predecessor, without having to relaunch or suffer from launch drought if they launched a new 4K machine.
One of the key messages from Reggie is that there will be more consistant software support for this machine long term; I can only hope they've learnt something from the 3DS launch and WiiU, they seem to be trying to move on from the WiiU as quickly as possible.
One of the key messages from Reggie is that there will be more consistant software support for this machine long term; I can only hope they've learnt something from the 3DS launch and WiiU, they seem to be trying to move on from the WiiU as quickly as possible.
an updated SKU (base unit) is not something that isn't out of scope. Sony have done it with the PS Pro, MS are doing it with the scorpio. There's no reason Nintendo shouldn't do it with a 'pro dock'.
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I actually want to see that happen. The dock needs to be at least as powerful as Scorpio though, which I think will be easy with a 1060?
Would be happy to splash £200 or so on one as long as the support is there for it. Not holding my breath for them releasing it, but would not be surprised one bit if they do. I think they took out patents for such a thing have they not?
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I really like the idea of an dock+/add-on to upgrade the home console experience, but can't see it happening for a few reasons
It's a little different for MS & Sony I feel, because it's a whole new physical system with their alternative Sku's. It more clear-cut for the consumer... well sort of, even in PS4 Pro's case there's some confusion.
Unless Switch fails to grab a market which seems unlikely, updated SKU's are inevitable down the line in some form.
This is a given considering Nintendo will be developing for one platform instead of two. All of Nintendo's internal development teams and subsidiaries seem to have moved over to Switch development now, or are finishing up 3DS projects in parallel. Zelda will be the last Wii U game released by Nintendo.
Not going to happen imo unless Nintendo do a complete 180 on the core idea of the Switch - unified development across handheld and home experiences.
- Difficult to market new dock/add-on to consumers (complicates the simple idea of what the Switch is)
- Already released games will need to be patched to take advantage (not very Nintendo-like)
- The benefits for 3rd parties will be limited to a degree, because there needs to be reasonable parity between the portable and docked configurations of games for the Switch ecosystem to work effectively for Nintendo. i.e. it would be difficult to port some games from other systems due to the limitations in portable mode.
It's a little different for MS & Sony I feel, because it's a whole new physical system with their alternative Sku's. It more clear-cut for the consumer... well sort of, even in PS4 Pro's case there's some confusion.
Unless Switch fails to grab a market which seems unlikely, updated SKU's are inevitable down the line in some form.
This is a given considering Nintendo will be developing for one platform instead of two. All of Nintendo's internal development teams and subsidiaries seem to have moved over to Switch development now, or are finishing up 3DS projects in parallel. Zelda will be the last Wii U game released by Nintendo.
Not going to happen imo unless Nintendo do a complete 180 on the core idea of the Switch - unified development across handheld and home experiences.
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Ok that does highlight the power differential somewhat, especially given the Switch runs higher res as well.
I assume Nintendo chose to go 900p over 1080p because they COULD have done 1080p, but it would have meant more framerate spikes under 30 FPS when lots going on, whereas early feedback suggests 30FPS is more or less locked and very rarely drops when docked on Switch right now.
I assume Nintendo chose to go 900p over 1080p because they COULD have done 1080p, but it would have meant more framerate spikes under 30 FPS when lots going on, whereas early feedback suggests 30FPS is more or less locked and very rarely drops when docked on Switch right now.
BOTW Switch compared to the Wii-U
Big difference!
Yey. Made the looooooooooooooonnngg wait for the promised WiiU version worth it :/ But hey, Nintendo haven't made any games for the Switch yet and the port will sell systems.