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NVIDIA 4000 Series
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Funnier than that, rumour is the 4080S is still 16GB and only an increase of 500 cuda cores!!!!
Funnier than that, rumour is the 4080S is still 16GB and only an increase of 500 cuda cores!!!!
I thought the rumor for the 4080s was a 20GB card
It’ll be DOA if it comes in at just 5% faster and costs £1200, personally I wouldn’t pay more than £800 and even then that’s not a great deal with new cards then less than a year away.I would laugh (very sadly) if they phased out the 4080 and replaced it with a £1200 4080 Super which was like 5% faster
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Soldato
I think this is the stunt they will pull though tbh. They will dry out the normal versions supply allowing a bit of a haircut to those prices. The new refresh stuff will just prolong the launch prices. Happy if they actually discounted properly but cant see it.
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They will do the same 20 series super increases for sure 5% max and as you said keep the same prices as previous models which will be EOL and out of stock or some world event that has nothing to do with gpu making will suddenly have them go up to keep milking the cow. It's Nvidia remember ... the more you buy blaa blaa...
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I think people forget the ampere prices in the final year were cut quite a bit, the 3090 was cut to £950 the fully unlocked 3090ti that launched for £2000 was cut to £1150 after a couple of months and the 3080ti cut to £850 so anyone who pays full price for the supers will probably feel hard done by come the end of the summer when I expect Nvidia will discount the higher end to make way for the 5000 series.
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Last I saw it was still 16GB, but with the wattage increase also rumoured it may be 20GB (which would need a 320bit bus thereby increasing power consumption). All up in the air as usual...
Soldato
I do remember the 3090Ti as you mention was slashed heavily, however I also remember 10GB 3080's were still going for the same as a 12GB model and barely dipped under the £800 for more AIBs. The problem for nvidia is its getting closer to the next gen as each month passes so as you say unless they do apply some heavy tactics they will be slow movers off the shelves and be like the Turing stain all over again.
The 3090 FE never was sold at the reduced £950 price as they never had stock of them after the £1400 price and was only the 3090ti available and had its price slashed later as it was nothing more than a 3090 with silly power use and the silly new power connector and a stupid MSRP from day one and should have been no more than a £100/$100 more than a 3090.. but Nvidia testing if they can sell £2k/$2k gpus while the world was a mess and mining. So the fake price drop really wasn't true as you can price a product anything when there is none to sell, as Nvidia did.. and AIBS never sold them at the reduced price too as there again was none in stock or any that were never were priced lower then the original MSRP.
Nvidia will do same with 40 series I'm sure and only things that will end up available are the 4060s,70s.. All the super models coming will mean all previous models that are getting replaced with supers have either stopped manufacturing or they are adding the super name to them and sticking a VBIOS that unlocks a few more cuda cores and that's the supers.. We saw same thing with 20 series supers.. so don't be shocked for the 5% max increase and same price..
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This is even worse than Turing as at least with Turing the low-mid end actually got a real world boost and new features, it was the 2080ti that left a huge stain back then and the 2080 to a point because it was nothing more than a 1080ti performance with RTX and why they made a 2080 super to stick a bit more of a gap between it and a 1080ti.. to make people feel they get some performance upgrade if on a 1080ti and RTX... (rolling eyes here that they thought that would be enough with the 2080 super)...
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Soldato
Remember when it used to be **** basic, then the **** Super, and a separate **** Ti model?
Why in gods name has Nvidia decided to call it a 4070Ti Super? More blurring of the model names for nefarious reasons?
Why in gods name has Nvidia decided to call it a 4070Ti Super? More blurring of the model names for nefarious reasons?
Soldato
I built a sim rig around a 4080 (for someone else) and discovered the memory bandwidth was the bottleneck on that card.
On a Reverb G2, I could crank all the setting up to max except for one: AA.
Maxed everything with medium AA was rock solid 90FPS (headset refresh rate) and the card wasn't even even working that hard. Max AA? Nope. 70-ish FPS relatively steady too.
The 4080 needs more memory badwidth. If the 103 die could handle a wider memory bus, I would be fine if the 4080 Super/Ti just got 20GB of ram with the wider bus that supports it. (And no other performance improvements)
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So a 20GB version is needed just for the increase in bus
Soldato
I think there are export issues (or at least a fear of future export issues) with the 102 die. The US government is really trying to slow China's AI advance and the 102 die seems to be caught up in it.
Soldato
China has a lot of highly intelligent people in it, They'll eventually catch up to whatever is current in the west with their own tech, will take them a few decades though.
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Man of Honour
Even 10% faster would be laughable lol, let alone 5% - For a Super I'd expect 15-20% minimum gains vs the non super version.
Edit* At the same time Nvidia can't allow the 4080 Super to get too close to the 4090 because then nobody would bother with a 4090 and save £300 and get the 4080S so either way it's gonna be a small bump tops no doubt.
Edit* At the same time Nvidia can't allow the 4080 Super to get too close to the 4090 because then nobody would bother with a 4090 and save £300 and get the 4080S so either way it's gonna be a small bump tops no doubt.
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