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$2k 4090's aren't moving like they were just a few days ago. $2500+ are collecting dust. (Rain Forest)
I wonder if we are working through the limited FOMO-at-any-price buyers.
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I wonder if we are working through the limited FOMO-at-any-price buyers.
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RTX 4090 & 53 Games: Ryzen 7 5800X vs Core i9-12900K Review
We test the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 with 53 games at three resolutions, comparing the AMD Ryzen 7 5800X against the Intel Core i9-12900K. The idea here is to get a feel for how much graphics performance is lost by a weaker processor.
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RTX 4090 & 53 Games: Ryzen 7 5800X vs Core i9-12900K Review
We test the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 with 53 games at three resolutions, comparing the AMD Ryzen 7 5800X against the Intel Core i9-12900K. The idea here is to get a feel for how much graphics performance is lost by a weaker processor.
I'm sure someone will correct me but to me that seems a very strange comparison. Why would you choose the top of the range Intel vs. Whatever a 5800X is.
Unless it's to highlight the value because of 5,800X costs a lot less I think.
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Maybe due to the popularity of the 5000 series, to highlight what users would get now vs what they'd experience with a more recent DDR5 equipped system should they buy a 4090. I don't think it's intended as an AMD Vs Intel piece, particularly due to the difference in system cost as you say.
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anything below 4k is for the birds imho, but yes a small Intel advantage (not worth an upgrade though)First cpu comparison
RTX 4090 & 53 Games: Ryzen 7 5800X vs Core i9-12900K Review
We test the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 with 53 games at three resolutions, comparing the AMD Ryzen 7 5800X against the Intel Core i9-12900K. The idea here is to get a feel for how much graphics performance is lost by a weaker processor.
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yes seems like it, I would hedge a 2k 4090 is coming into wide stream availability soon on account of the market appetite
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good, as they should right back to FE prices imho
what happens after that is in AMDs court
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Yep give it a few weeks or so and hopefully things will start to stabilise.
Some of the prices these greedy scalpers are charging are obscene - can’t see why anybody would pay it. No warranty either.
Ironically you can guy a prebuilt system with a 4090 for a similar price to what they are being advertised at: madness really.
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Yes, I suppose the 15% or 7% performance may make a decision clear on an upgrade, especially if you know how your CPU compares to the 5800X.
Hopefully they do more of these.
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Then they should add the X3D as a 3rd chip imo as that's a simple upgrade, vs a full refit
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Just looked on FB MM and lots of cards just over MSRP. Suck it scalpers! 
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Hmmm, something is particularly off with those results on the 5800x. And I suspect it's the ram. Ryzen can be heavily penalized with higher latency ram. And at 4000Mhz 20-23-23 is the culprit.First cpu comparison
RTX 4090 & 53 Games: Ryzen 7 5800X vs Core i9-12900K Review
We test the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 with 53 games at three resolutions, comparing the AMD Ryzen 7 5800X against the Intel Core i9-12900K. The idea here is to get a feel for how much graphics performance is lost by a weaker processor.
Most people who go ryzen know they need bdie. Something like 3200Mhz CL14-14-14, 3600Mhz CL14-14-14 or 3800Mhz CL14-14-14 would have vastly change the landscape of those results in games.
And, I do wonder why he didn't use better time. A quick check on Aida64 Cache and Memory Benchmark would show that latency greater then 55ms would show a red flag. I am sure his results would be in the sub 60ms at a guess.
Furthermore, he used DDR5-6000 36-36-36-76 2T / Gear 2 memory for the 12900k. Make it a rigged result. He used the worst DDR4 for DDR5. All for the ssake of throughput. If anything the same DDR4 4000 20-23-23 kit should have been used for the cpu.
Wow, and I thought I could trust this guy. Live and learn...live and learn...
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RTX 4090 & 53 Games: Ryzen 7 5800X vs Core i9-12900K Review
We test the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 with 53 games at three resolutions, comparing the AMD Ryzen 7 5800X against the Intel Core i9-12900K. The idea here is to get a feel for how much graphics performance is lost by a weaker processor.
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That's a fair point, hopefully they'll make that comparison (perhaps when the 13th gen Intel are released).
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So in reply to all of the above I found this post, sounds right to me, I shall use 2 cables to connect to the 4 way plug.
The PCle 8 pin standard is essentially implicit communication. It says that if all 8 pins are connected correctly, the device (GPU) can draw 150W. Even if you make a cable and PS capable of supplying 1.21 jigawatts, the device (GPU) has no way to
know that, so will onlv ever draw upto 150W sustained per 8 pin connector.
Corsair's cables can sustain 300W. But that will onlv be utilised if provided over two 8 pin PCle connections, so their cables terminate with those two 8 pin PCle connections
At the other end, there's an 8 pin connection to the PSU. That connector IS NOT an 8 pin PCle connector. It's a connector bespoke to the PS manufacturer. It can output up to 300W. It only works correctly on the manufacturer's PSU, as the the
pinout is often not the same. (NEVER use a modular cable from a different manufacturer, unless you fancy risking connecting a ground pin on your GPU to a 12V pin on your PSU.)
So, each connector on the Corsair PSU absolutely CAN deliver up to 300W, and using the twin 8 pin PCle connectors at the other end CAN allow 300W to be drawn.
The nVidia adaptor needs four 8 pin PCle connections as each such CONNECTOR only guarantees 150W. You could be attaching for separate 150W PSUs. You could be attaching a nuclear power station over solid copper bars. nVidia can't tell,
so they will only ever draw 150W per 8 pin PCle connector
Corsair have made a cable for THEIR PSUs. They wire the 12+4 pin connector to tell the GPU that 600W is available. They make the gauge of the cabling capable of delivering that. Thev make the PSU end of the cable connect to TWO of their 300W
PSU outputs. Thus, their single cable CAN sustain 600W from their PSUs.
Note that if you plugged in only One connection at the PSU end, only one of the two sense wires would be grounded (the other would be left "open"), and the GPU would be able to tell. Thus, the GPU would only be "allowed" to draw 300W from
that connector.
An 850W Corsair PS absolutely CAN deliver 600W over either two of corsair's twin headed PCle cables, or one of their 12+4 pin HPWR cables. As that leaves only 250W for everything else, including transients, I'm not sure l'd want to. I'd rather
ensure the GPU be limited to 450W to leave enough capacitv for vour other components.
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From what I have seen if you play in 4k Native yes it is but not by a lot ! But if you are using the new DSLL 3 then 100% No , Just played A Plague Tale: Requiem 4k Ultra settings Quality DLSS and I was getting on average 160 - 185 FPS.
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So 100% Stay away from AMD if you have 4090 then ! Massive different. Ill keep my eye on there 13gen review over the next coming days and work out what CPU to get.First cpu comparison
RTX 4090 & 53 Games: Ryzen 7 5800X vs Core i9-12900K Review
We test the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 with 53 games at three resolutions, comparing the AMD Ryzen 7 5800X against the Intel Core i9-12900K. The idea here is to get a feel for how much graphics performance is lost by a weaker processor.
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Spending that kind of money you need a warranty i only had my 3090 for a month and had to return it because the fans were faulty imagine if i had no warranty 1500 quid down the drain.
Blimey not only do you have to fork out for a 2000 pound graphics card you also need to spend over a thousand more for a new CPU motherboard and memory just to play games not worth it in my opinion.First cpu comparison
RTX 4090 & 53 Games: Ryzen 7 5800X vs Core i9-12900K Review
We test the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 with 53 games at three resolutions, comparing the AMD Ryzen 7 5800X against the Intel Core i9-12900K. The idea here is to get a feel for how much graphics performance is lost by a weaker processor.