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Bragging is often just fantasy or exaggeration. Also in the past the FE place was accepting paypal which made scalpers life easier.
From what I've seen, FE ebay listings were for 1 card only. A seller did not have multiple in stock. Sellers where simply using their limited billing address resource.
The Amp Extreme was cancelled. Zotac never released it and it's been gone from their site for a long time.
People that are getting "hundreds" of cards aren't doing it with bots. They're nabbing them before they even hit retail channels. Even the heavily-botted white goods retailer that's had more stock than most has at least some checks in place to prevent that sort of scale.
It's easier than you think. I can tell you for one thing that not all cards care about the billing address. Many do, but Halifax cards, for one example, do not. They'll verify anything as the billing address, so long as you confirm the purchase via their notification system.
The pictures of their stacks of cards are not.
If that was the case would you include people who were advised to cancel theirs? I cancelled mine, if I knew that the queue was going to be my way in of getting any GPU then I would have kept it
that's all up to Gibbo and what tools we manage to pull together to allow us to get them into the hands of gamers. The most likely outcome at this point is that we offer them to those in the 3080 queues first but there's technical blockers to overcome on that front.
I aluded to this fact ages ago on this thread, I'm very much well aware that it isn't all bots. Just wondering how people can post here saying bots can't solve captchas yet bots are clearly buying a lot of cards. If a captcha couldn't be solved by bots then surely s captcha is the answer, yet it isn't the answer because bots are getting around it.
Dont forget that shipping address is also balcklisted. So even then a Halifax scalper would need a new address for each GPU.
As I said earlier Cloudflare and Captcha do nothing currently, said competitor still ends up with most of their FE stock on scalper central.
If it helps, realistically, all we can offer is downgrade routes out of the queues.Just my luck I canceled out of the queue a couple of months ago. I was in the Zotac 3080 Amp Extreme queue for 6 months with zero cards being shipped, and still to this day none have shipped.
far from it, most scalpers are collectives who use bots to get their stock. They aren't getting stock from official distribution.
That's why I canceled. That and the 3080Ti was just around the corner so I didn't ask to transfer to a different 3080 SKU.
Because OC stated earlier in this thread that like 90% of the traffic to their site during the 3080ti launch last week was bot traffic.
Bots are the most "vicious" scalpers - then can nab entire stock in one second if unopposed. People-scalpers can be also bad although slower, hence the need for balcklist where you cant recieve more than one GPU to your address
FE stock on ebay is from people who depleted their address recourse. Yes, they could get e.g. 4 cards per scalper with a lot of effort, time and luck, but the system is pretty good, just read the FE thread in this forum. Lots of people got their one card there (or two - if they bought when paypal was available). Of course they are still swamped by the demand anyways as nobody else is doing this kind of protection it seems.
I'm sorry but we're not blessed with physic powers and we act based on the latest information that we have. However, to make something very clear, even if our plan works, we're not blessed with hundreds and hundreds of cards so it's only going to help a tiny portion of those still in the queues.
most of these suggestions require completely rewriting the way that our website and our internal ERP handles orders. This is not an option, which is why I keep asking people to stop making them.
How much would it cost to integrate a couple of this kind of "if-then" rules into the current ordering algorithm? Just a rough figure if it not top secret
