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Borsch said:
How much would it cost to integrate a couple of this kind of "if-then" rules into the current ordering algorithm? Just a rough figure if it not top secret :)
Also another couple of honest questions: How did the FE place come around to implementing this- was it imposed on them by Nvidia? What do you think about Nvidia forcing all resellers to implement these anti-scalping measures?
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But in fairness - OC are saying those measures do not work and to do something different would be expensive and take a lot of time.
 
PatBerry said:
But in fairness - OC are saying those measures do not work and to do something different would be expensive and take a lot of time.
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I get that. "Work or Not Work" are binary terms of course. The argument for the measure not working based on individuals selling single GPUs on ebay is valid logically, but not valid pragmatically. Pragmatically it is apparent that having to beat captchas+blacklisted shipping addresses/bank cards/IPs is bad news for large scale scalpers. But anyways, interested in why the FE place did what they did and potential for Nvidia implementing it for all resellers.
 
Borsch said:
How much would it cost to integrate a couple of this kind of "if-then" rules into the current ordering algorithm?
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I did some C+ modules in college and uni, I'm good as writing pseudo code but you know what pseudo code does? Absolutely nothing. I'm not saying that I know how long it would take but integrating Amazon Pay took weeks and if we change one part of the check out process then every part, every plug in, every feature has to be checked and rechecked for bugs and revalidated for security.

We're hoping to launch a whole new website in the next couple of months, three years in the making.

Things are never as simple as the man on the street seems to think.
 
Borsch said:
But anyways, interested in why the FE place did what they did and potential for Nvidia implementing it for all resellers.
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Nvidia can't implement anything for any resellers, for the simple reason that Nvidia don't actually sell any stock to resellers.
 
Borsch said:
I get that. "Work or Not Work" are binary terms of course. The argument for the measure not working based on individuals selling single GPUs on ebay is valid logically, but not valid pragmatically. Pragmatically it is apparent that having to beat captchas+blacklisted shipping addresses/bank cards/IPs is bad news for large scale scalpers. But anyways, interested in why the FE place did what they did and potential for Nvidia implementing it for all resellers.
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I heard that their address check is pretty much a manual process. I can't say for sure but it wouldn't surprise me.
But the key part that you might not grasp is that these scalper collectives have hundreds of "patsies" who allow them to use their details in exchange for a fee, so each bot can have countless different addresses to use.
 
ScottiB said:
I heard that their address check is pretty much a manual process. I can't say for sure but it wouldn't surprise me.
But the key part that you might not grasp is that these scalper collectives have hundreds of "patsies" who allow them to use their details in exchange for a fee, so each bot can have countless different addresses to use.
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Manual? Yikes.
 
ScottiB said:
if we change one part of the check out process then every part, every plug in, every feature has to be checked and rechecked for bugs and revalidated for security.
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Know how tedious and time consuming this is, first hand through my daily work.

Our business usually takes upwards of £5m per day through our website in a "normal" year and everything, absolutely everything, needs to be checked, tested, hope there are no regression issues, re-tested, validated and signed off for any change to the functionality whatsoever. We're talking a collective effort of over 30 people, full time.

In short, very expensive and time consuming.
 
ScottiB said:
I did some C+ modules in college and uni, I'm good as writing pseudo code but you know what pseudo code does? Absolutely nothing. I'm not saying that I know how long it would take but integrating Amazon Pay took weeks and if we change one part of the check out process then every part, every plug in, every feature has to be checked and rechecked for bugs and revalidated for security.
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I'm doing academic research using python, so know exactly what you mean :) Immediate response to security issues and difficult integration with amazon pay would be to build a separate simple module to bolt on to the untampered amazon pay. Customer pays via amazon pay and THEN her details are passed into your own module that checks if the payment details were blacklisted. Amazon_pay_module_output = blacklist_checker_input. This saves on messing around with changing amazon's code without security shortcuts.
Another alternative - process payemnt details in parralel. Iff amazon_pay_status == True AND blacklist_checker_ouput == False : Complete order. Else: refund via amazon pay etc etc

ScottiB said:
I heard that their address check is pretty much a manual process. I can't say for sure but it wouldn't surprise me.
But the key part that you might not grasp is that these scalper collectives have hundreds of "patsies" who allow them to use their details in exchange for a fee, so each bot can have countless different addresses to use.
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Manual check - wow haha:D Surely checkin if a string of text (shipping address) is present in a list (order history) is done by the machine? Would be hilarious if true :) Do you think this was imposed on them by Nvidia?

ScottiB said:
We're hoping to launch a whole new website in the next couple of months, three years in the making.
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In my humble opion, and understanding that this problem is not going anywhere (PS5 with no miners to blame springs to mind again), anti-scalping is the only feature I, as a customer, would crave to see.
ScottiB said:
Things are never as simple as the man on the street seems to think.
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Absolutely, I totally appreciate that.
 
ScottiB said:
I heard that their address check is pretty much a manual process. I can't say for sure but it wouldn't surprise me.
But the key part that you might not grasp is that these scalper collectives have hundreds of "patsies" who allow them to use their details in exchange for a fee, so each bot can have countless different addresses to use.
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That sounds like money laundering
 
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