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Nvidia GTX295 Information

Its not just drivers imo - was testing a PC the other day with a 4830 in it and it was crashing a lot (display driver recovery, etc.) and would get some nasty slowdown in games - tried the card in one of my PCs and it was rock solid stable (actually quite impressive performance compared to the 8800GT I took out to test it) tho I still don't like the ATI drivers :P tried an nVidia card in the original PC and no problems...

I tried a GTX260-216 in my PC and the *****r burnt down my house.
 

The smiley was implied.

The amount of anecdotal stories about driver stability in this place is amazing. Everyone always has had it happen to themselves or know somebody it happened to, no matter which side of the never ending argument they happen to sit on. I'm not casting doubt on the validity of these stories, just passing comment...
 
I'll sometimes shoe horn the facts to make them fit the relevant topic but I have a lot to do with hardware and spend a lot of time maintaining friend and family PCs, sometimes give a friend a hand with his PC business and so on so I have plenty of relevant ancedotal stories :D (and the 4870 is the bane of my life right now so thats where some of my ATI dislike comes from).

Case in point I advised the owner of the PC to give the 4830 a whirl in the media/lifestyle PC he was building as I'd previously thought of putting one into my asus terminator instead of the 8500GT thats in there currently.

EDIT: Your better off putting the smiley in if your talking to me I'm sick and tired of people taking me literally of late and likely to respond less than nicely.
 
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I admit I do have a tendency to shoe horn my own experiences into the current format as I said, but I rarely make up something from scratch as I think thats pathetic :D
 
ATI's drivers are crap. This is from experience of owning there cards myself and building 50+ systems with them. Unlike many kids on here who have owned 1 or 2 cards and think they know everything, i'm talking from loads of experience. Even tech review sites like Anandtech are now beginning to mention these issues when review ATI hardware.
Even just getting them to intall, which you even admitted, isn't a rare problem. NV have problems, they just are not anywhere near as common. Industry standard for a reason.

I've only ever had 4 ATi cards and 5 NV cards but I know one things, ATi drivers may be crap but I certainly dont have many problems at all with ATi drivers?

Does that mean I think I know everything? No, but you don't know that ATi drivers are crap that you think you can even put the "are" in bold..

Nvidia drivers where quite rock solid for me, same for the ATi drivers.
 
I've only ever had 4 ATi cards and 5 NV cards but I know one things, ATi drivers may be crap but I certainly dont have many problems at all with ATi drivers?

Does that mean I think I know everything? No, but you don't know that ATi drivers are crap that you think you can even put the "are" in bold..

Nvidia drivers where quite rock solid for me, same for the ATi drivers.

This is the first venture into red land and I too dunno what all the fuss is. I`ve run into one or two problems with brand spankin new games (FC2 and FO3) but they were fixed quick enough.

On the green side, one or two problems over the years too, but again, fixed quickly :)

Meh, next gpu purchase will be based as per my tried and tested method, bird on the box ;)

Oh aye, on topic, nice card that GTX295 :)
 
I would love to try a 4870x2 and something like a 295 as I think I would notice the benefits using such aforementioned cards.

I am one of the very few peeps on this board who enjoy and could probably utilise either Crossfire and SLI.

When I had SLI 8800 gtx's it ran faultlessly on my old asus a8n-32sli and 790i mb's so I would not hesitate to try either crossfire or SLI again.

I will be keeping an eye on the release of the 295 to ascertain if it something that would improve my setup.
 
Well I think we can all agree that ATI and Nvidia graphics drivers are fantastic in comparison to Nvidia nForce 650i drivers...
 
ATI's drivers are crap. This is from experience of owning there cards myself and building 50+ systems with them. Unlike many kids on here who have owned 1 or 2 cards and think they know everything, i'm talking from loads of experience. Even tech review sites like Anandtech are now beginning to mention these issues when review ATI hardware.
Even just getting them to intall, which you even admitted, isn't a rare problem. NV have problems, they just are not anywhere near as common. Industry standard for a reason.

I've built more systems than that easily and have ran in to hardly ANY problems with BOTH manufacturers. Does that mean I'm more qualified than you?. Of course it doesn't so stop giving us your 40, 50, 100, 150 PC's built yawn fest. Plllllleeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaasssssseeeeee :eek:.

You act like you know more about drivers installations than the rest of us (or at least YOU believe your own hype) and sorry sir I find it pretty pathetic as installing a driver is simple. On Vista, on XP, with Nvidia and with ATI. OK, you had some problems. Just because you have that to relate to though whilst a LOT of other have had no problems at all. So please DON'T come on these threads with your superiority issues as it doesn't wash here. ATI drivers have ALWAYS and I mean ALWAYS been fine for me and for my friends. Oh wait Nvidia without problems also. Hmmm I'm not sticking up for any manufacturer here:confused:. It can't be favouritism? :confused:.

It must be TRUE :p.

Please though Mr.B. Apart from this nonsense you've continuously spewed for 3 or 4 months now (even the 50+ PC's building bore fest that used to be 100+ PC's hmm), you're actually an OK person. Don't try and come on these boards with an attitude that says I'm right, I know I'm right and any of you say anything against it ARE JUST LIARS. That's how I see you and I find it pretty obnoxious and pathetic. If it was something more technical then I'd salute thee. Driver installations though??????. Nah, my mum could install drivers easily :D.
 
HOnestly both companies have problems, of which many could be sorted by making a full proof install guide that is updated with every change they make to it.

IE both companies HAVE to provide a list of EVERYTHING you should have installed. A updated list of Windows Updates required, of .net versions you should have and links to get them, a list of incompatible hardwares. a list of softwares that work for tweaking, both companies need to add in a powerplay type control device so if needed you can press one button and turn it into 3dpower mode only, so you get no slow down and any games that aren't triggering the speed aren't a problem. Both companies make horrible mistakes with their drivers, such is life. But I would think a large portion of problems are down to people following their same uninstall procedure they used back on win 95. The amount of people that insist on using driver cleaner or some arbitrary deleting package that causes problems, the amount of times a fresh install without the right .net package installed causes an installation error, its a joke and really because theres no foolproof guide and no real standards anywhere.

MS and Nvdia and ATi need to get together and sort that stuff out. I've rarely had ATi issues, they had problems with the early790fx drivers in that doing an uninstall of ATI drivers caused your chipset drivers to uninstall ALONG with raid drivers which would cause windows to become unbootable, not great, long since fixed but a fairly simple error that should have been documented.

People have one problem and assume its global, everyone has it and its unavoidable. I would suggest that if you've installed 50 systems and each one is a problem, that at some point along the lines you'd do a little research find the problem and fix it. you either got an entire duff batch, which is almost impossible, or you're simply not installing something required that you're just not aware of which IMHO is far far far more likely.

Then you need to remember, theres people who think saying the number 50+ is remotely impressive, like the normal person has built 2 computers, I'm uber because I made 50. You might want to bear in mind that many people on a computer forum have built in the 100's, and plenty would have worked in the area for 25 years now and built 1000's of computers for people. Heres a hint, your opinion ISN'T more valid because you can post an unprovable number in your post.


Games are getting FAR more complex, as are the DX versions, the game and rendering styles are varied and you can't, you literally can't expect flat perfect support for every game ever made, its retarded to assume so. You can expect BOTH companies to do their best to get games working, to fix glitches and to improve performances but you can't just assume its possible and they are screwing you over not getting it done. There will be games , varied games where both companies have niggling issues, its life, get over it.

I'm sure Nvidia's main problem is long since fixed but having tried lots of drivers, quite a few cards and lots of research their 64bit vista drivers for a stupidly long time were inherantly unstable. If I switched to XP it was fine, they were just bad drivers, and probably had it on the backburner as relatively few people used Vista in the first 6 months and before ATi had their dx10 cards out they didn't seem to care. Thats my one real gripe against Nvidia as having a 8800gtx and instability in too many games that all worked flawlessly in XP was a bit of a joke. But I won't "never" buy an Nvidia card again or claim it was industry wide on every platform without any possibility of using the card at all and makes nvidia the devil, it doesn't.

I do however have aproblem with their prices, their FAR to large a gripe on developers and their pumping money into game titles to "prefer" their hardware as frankly it seems anti competition and almost illegal.

ALso none of what anyone said makes the 295 anything other than a joke and desparate attempt to tell everyone they are the fastest. But the 295 being a rip off, expensive, pointless, hot, you know its going to be loud and not remotely worth the cash doesn't make their technology awful, or their cheaper cards not a viable option, its just means what it means, that card is a joke.
 
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ALso none of what anyone said makes the 295 anything other than a joke and desparate attempt to tell everyone they are the fastest. But the 295 being a rip off, expensive, pointless, hot, you know its going to be loud and not remotely worth the cash doesn't make their technology awful, or their cheaper cards not a viable option, its just means what it means, that card is a joke.

So just out of interest and im not really wanting to get into this argument/discusion but I just cant help myself :). is there anything in the above quoted statement that couldnt be true of the radeon 4870x2. I mean when it was launched it could have been described in exactly the way you have just described the 295.

just something to think about. :p
 
So just out of interest and im not really wanting to get into this argument/discusion but I just cant help myself :). is there anything in the above quoted statement that couldnt be true of the radeon 4870x2. I mean when it was launched it could have been described in exactly the way you have just described the 295.

just something to think about. :p

Not really, it wasn't 4/5 months late, giving it 3 months of speed before its obsolete(not sure if this was clear, I'm saying the 295 will have 3 months before its completely pointless, while the 4870x2 has been available for less for ages making it FAR better value), its not hot its just got a crap cooler, it "was" cheaper than 2x4870 512mb's when I bought mine £320 when the 4870's 512mb's were £170. IT didn't forsake value just because it was officially the fastest single card solution, while the early talk of pricing in reviews is far below what I think it will be priced at in real life. IT will be a low volume part and they didn't launch the other two cards yet because clearly they have 55nm problems.

I can easily see it being £500+ and having so few worldwide no one can get one. THe 4870x2, like mine, is very easy to take off the shroud and run completely silent all the time with better temps than the stock sink, the design of the 295GTX will make it impossible with the fan and airflow between the pcb's which will likely make it impossible to watercool without a ridiculously expensive and unlikely to be released before next gen cards are out full cover block.

So no, nothing really applies to the 4870x2. It was cheaper than 2 single cards and less hassle(or would have been without this damn blower fan fetish both companies have, they've finally ditched it when looking at the 4850x2 and its better cooling and 3rd party 4870x2's now, thank christ we hopefully will see proper quite stock cooling on all ati cards... praying). You're MUCH better off buying 2x nvidia cards, be them old 260's, new ones, 280's and now. YOu'll get them now, cheaper, in stock and have them longer, plus you could have bought them on release and had the full speed most of the time. Same with the 4870x2, if the 4870x2 was released now, offered no speed improvements 5 months after you could have gotten two single cards AND was more expensive it would be just as useless.

PS reviewers of the 4870x2 weren't refused cards if they didn't agree to not talk about the power usage, the noise, and only benchmark the 5 games Nvidia was furthest ahead in which also, in most reviews show they lose 2-3 of those games and only really win in one game that is far more than playable on the 4870x2. Thats simply never a good sign of a card even they are impressed with. If it was a huge win, great value, fast as smeg they'd get them to every review to review as they liked.
 
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I'll be buying one of these immediately when they're out, for my 30". And unlike the X2 i had i'm sure it will just work properly from day one without the BSOD's, i7 system crashing, need for multiple new drivers and hotfixes and still have issues remaining, like with Dead Space performance for a start.

Honestly... why do you bother? All you seem to do is moan on about ATi as you think the world revolves around you and that means everyone has problems with ATi if you do...

Dont even know why you bothered with a 4870X2, I mean I moaned about the crappy 2900XT... but you moaning about ATi in general is Sommmeeeethiiinnnnnn elseeeeeeeee!
 
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