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Nvidia to support Freesync?
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Yes, I believe it will. I’m not sure if it is a hardware or software limitation with Nvidia. If it is just software then HDMI support might be added in the future.
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It is just a timing issue, it should be fixed in driver update.
So for flickering just turn on/off monitor with freesync/gsync on.
You could also just change resolution in game or on desktop to get it working.
Simple solutions as this is a very good thing Nvidia finally gave into.
Why do we have to use his definition of working? In that case unless it also supports HDR, then it does not work. Damn, hardly any work then. Lol
Just because it does not fit their certification does not mean it does not work. Stay in the range and works. Simples.
Oh and if it did not work on anything other than g-sync certified monitors then why would he give us a button to manually enable it? That button is there for a reason. It will work on those monitors too. Just not to a certain standard, sure, but that does not mean it does not work.
It’s like saying just because my car does not go 0-60 in 5 seconds it does not work. Nope, it works if I use it in the way it was advertised before I bought it. If Elon Musk then came along and said oh those cars don’t even work properly, all our vehicles do 0-60 in under 5 seconds by standard, people would laugh.
You don't have to use Nvidia's definition working, but to be certified as sync compatible by Nviidia then by definition the monitor has to meet Nvidia's standards.
The good thing is you are free to use whatever definition of working you want. If you think pack of LFC is not a problem, or occasional black flickering or dynamic co yeast issues are working correctly the n you are free to use it. Nvidia haven't locked freesync only the 12 certified screens, merely stated those screens meet Nvidia's quality control and minimum feature , just like when AMD certified screens with LFC plus certain features to be Freesync 2.
If you are angry at Nvidia for having minium requirements then you have to be equally angry at AMD for doing the same with Freezing 2.
Nvidia is ski g the exact same thing as AMD in this regard.
Provide proof where Jensen was wrong.
Jensen said:
1) Nvidia tested 400 monitors
2) only monitors passed Nvidia's own arbitrary certification with Nvidia's own definition.
working.
3) Freezing often fails even on AMD cards, with either lack of LFC, lack of plug n play, or artefacts such as flickering. There is plenty of proof of this, lots if YouTube videos verifying Nvidia's statement.
Any evidence Nvidia didnt test 400 monitors?
Not angry at Nvidia. I understand why they do what they do. There is plenty of proof right here on this forum however that people who do not have their monitor listed by nvidia as g-sync compatible have flicked the switch nvidia have provided and it works with no flickering etc. No lfc does not mean it does not work. My previous 4K monitor was 40-60 range, with no lfc. It worked if I stayed in that range.
In conclusion, I have no issue with nvidia having minimum requirements, this is a good thing even. The issue is saying that anything that does not meet them does not work. I have clearly demonstrated that is not true. Hence he is lying. Not sure how you can’t see that to be honest.
No, you clearly stated that your monitor does not have LFC and therefore does not meet Nvidia's requirements, just like it woudln't meet AMD's Freesync 2 requirements.
Nvidia is simply providing a certification so users can buy a monitor without research and understand the experience they will get will meet nvidia's defined requirements. when a Freesync monitor works but without LFC or the occasional flickr that doesn't bother you is absolutely irrelevant to what Nvidia is trying to achieve.
I might understand of nvidia blocked not certified monitors form working, but they don't. You can test whatever Freesync monitor you want and find out what issues it may or may not have, live without LFC, or have to fiddle with firmware or monitor settings etc. to get it to work. This is the best of both worlds. Plug and play for the Nvidia users who have such expecations, lots of fiddling and research required with unknown performance for everyone else.
Nvidia have effectively done exactly the same as AMD. If you want certain guarantees then you buy a Freesync 2/Gsync compatible adaptive sync monitor. If you don;t care or want to take more rsiskl then you buy a FreeSync 1/non certified gsync compatible monitor. Nvidia and AMD are doing the exact same thing.
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TBH I can also provide yourself with lots of Youtube videos showing Gsync breaking. For the amount of so called Q/A should this really happen? Yes
Why? Because these are both not perfect and can break. Nvidia released a driver not long ago fixing Gsync issues
Guess what? So have AMD fixed issue with Freesync
But for Jen to say most freesync monitors dont work even with AMD he is chating poop
The issue here is not Nvidia's requirement though, it is Jensen saying anything that does not meet that requirement does not work...
This is starting to sound strawman like now. Come on D.P. I know you are a intelligent person, you can do better
Whether gsync has issues or not is irrelevant to the question of whether Jensen was lying, just whether he is a hypocrite.
How many FreesSync monitors support LFC and have a 2.5x operation range? I assume a majority don't so Jensen's point stands.
The issue here is not Nvidia's requirement though, it is Jensen saying anything that does not meet that requirement does not work...
This is starting to sound strawman like now. Come on D.P. I know you are a intelligent person, you can do better
but that is exactly what Jensen is stating. I think you are reading far too much in to what he said and conflating different points he raised.
He basicaly makes 2 claims:
1) Most monitors don't have LFC and a sufficient operation range, or otherwise require new firmware or such that it isn't plug n play. Therefore, out of the 400 monitors most simply don't make the cut, regardless of an AMD of Nvidia GPU. Nvidia is fully entirely to say these monitors don't work under their own definition.
2) There are flickering issues, contrast, backlight issues and other bad behaviors when connected to a nvidia GPU, many of these issues are evident with and AMD GPU as well. Therefore, Freesync doesn't work universally. When Nvidia certify a freesync screen then the user has a guarantee.
It may be that AMD makes far more driver hacks to try and get badly behaving freesync monitors to work better while Nviai's freesync support uses only the exact standard. If monitor manufacturers are not following the standard exactly then Nvidia doesn't have to spend resources making fixes . it would be better if the monitors were made to be compliant. nvidia's certification might urge manufactures to be more careful with their freesync implementation, and this will help everyone.
At no point did Jensen say Freesync doesn;t work at all on any AMD GPU on any Freesync monitor. Only some monitors just doesn't work regardless of the GPU. This is a hard fact.
Nvidia don;t stand to gain anything by lying about this. They have conceded to support Freesync, they allow freesync on non-certified monitors. They don't cliam freesync doesn't work, or doesn't work on AMD GPUs
He makes this claim: “The truth is most of the FreeSync monitors do not work”. Not true, simple as
Why do you keep defending the statement in question with completely different statements? That's not what he said.
He said - Freesync has never been proven to work. That's a lie.
He said - Most freesync monitors don't work and that they don't even work with AMD cards. That's also a lie.
No amount of spin by you will change that.
Are there some Freesync monitors that give problems, sure there are. But, he didn't say some, he said most.
He makes this claim: “The truth is most of the FreeSync monitors do not work”. Not true, simple as
He also said "freesync has never been proven to work" which isn't true either.
It's kind of weird why people keep mentioning that it's just marketing? LOL Of course it's marketing, the statement was made to make Freesync sound terrible. But, that doesn't make the statement any less wrong.
That's it? That's all you got? LOL what a joke.
The reference spec does exist but Nvidia didn't produce any cards based on the reference spec. Not sure why this so difficult for you to understand. It was reported in several hardware sites before the cards even launched. And it was mentioned by several hardware sites after launch, I even quoted you a section from one of those sites.
The reference specs are listed on the Nvidia's website, they are also listed in the Turing whitepapers. Most hardware review sites mention that the FE editions are overclocked.
Throughout the years Nvidia has made a reference card based on the reference specs, and AIBs have used that reference spec in their base models. Then with the introduction of Pascal they didn't produce a reference card, they made a marketing decision and released the Founders Edition which just happened to use the reference specs. Now with Turing, they have made another marketing decision and decided to overclock the FE card to make it more attractive to buyers and not bother releasing any card based on the reference specs. For this generation the only cards been built using the reference specs are the base AIB cards.
About the Titan, well, not really much point going into a discussion about that since you don't seem to understand reference specs.
TBF, Gsync suffers the same issues. Latest driver addresses yet more Gsync problems. We just need to decipher Jensen's definition of working.
Find me a FE card running at what you claim are the stock clocks and I will take you seriously.
As to the RTX Titan it run faster than most Turing cards and NVidia do not claim it is overclocked. It would be hard for them to claim it was as the RTX Titan is the only SKU available and it is a FE card lol.
You only believe what NVidia say when it serves your needs lol.