Obesity

[One More Solo]

I’m pretty convinced the issue stems almost entirely from the over prevalence of ultra processed food. Exercise is important for various reasons but weight is almost entirely attributable to diet. Bodies are excellent at maintaining stasis through our hunger and satiety signals. The problem is so much of the food people eat overrides these, and people sit down to eat highly processed meals they put away in less than 10 minutes that contain an entire day’s worth of calories. It is impossible to do that with whole foods - even eating something like rice or pasta that contains very little fibre or protein. It’s a chore.

People have also become convinced cooking takes a load of time and effort but you can make simple nutritious meals in less than the time it takes to cook a pizza. We need to improve education around food, and also make better food more easily available. If I don’t prep food to take for lunch, for example, it’s amazing how hard it can be to buy a minimally processed meal.

 

[Raymond Lin]

I’m actually the fattest of all my friends BMI of 31 (there are 9 of us who grew up together), I’m also the shortest lol. One lives in Taiwan now and he came back last week for a little bit. He was jet lagged so at 2am he went out for a 80km bike ride just because. He is 6ft and weights 65kg.

Another one is 5’11 and about 70kg, he went out from 2pm, had about 8 pints before he went home at 9 o’clock and got a kebab on the way back, he goes to the gym a few times a week.

There are 5 who runs for fun and trying to get me to join them.

None of us are on any kind of diets, just eat whatever we want. They all love their beers but none of them have a beer belly, they just exercise often. I on the other hand seldom drink and have a belly. lol

 

[andybird123]

even eating something like rice

my father-in-law is obese and has diabetes, he eats lots of fresh fruit, veg, not much meat, hardly any added fat, zero processed/packet food... he does however eat a big bowl of white rice with every meal, breakfast lunch and dinner

I mean, you are right, eating processed food also helps you overconsume, but it's not the only reason people get fat - personally I think the guidelines that say that 75% of your calories should come from carbs have not done the human race any favours

 

[tonys]

my father-in-law is obese and has diabetes, he eats lots of fresh fruit, veg, not much meat, hardly any added fat, zero processed/packet food... he does however eat a big bowl of white rice with every meal, breakfast lunch and dinner

I mean, you are right, eating processed food also helps you overconsume, but it's not the only reason people get fat - personally I think the guidelines that say that 75% of your calories should come from carbs have not done the human race any favours

Surely with diabetes, he should be limiting both the fruit and rice as both not good for controlling the condition and are contributing to his weight, more protein in the way of chicken is more beneficial

 

[burtie]

I'm sure the governments plan of hiding all the bad food at the back of stores hasn't made the slightest difference, fatty wants biscuits, fatty will get biscuits! It's a few extra steps though.

 

[One More Solo]

my father-in-law is obese and has diabetes, he eats lots of fresh fruit, veg, not much meat, hardly any added fat, zero processed/packet food... he does however eat a big bowl of white rice with every meal, breakfast lunch and dinner

I mean, you are right, eating processed food also helps you overconsume, but it's not the only reason people get fat - personally I think the guidelines that say that 75% of your calories should come from carbs have not done the human race any favours

My point on the rice is you couldn’t sit down and eat 1,500 calories of white rice in a sitting (the equivalent of a large fries at Five Guys). However, eating simple carbs with every meal is bad idea, diabetes or not.

 

[Raymond Lin]

His problem isn’t he is eating white rice, it is he is over eating full stop. Cut his rice portions to 1/10th the size and I’d be shocked if he doesn’t lose weight.

 

[cheesefest]

BMI is a load of nonsense. It’s just weight and height. Majority of rugby players are classed as obese by the BMI but only have 15% body fat.

 

[Raymond Lin]

BMI is a load of nonsense. It’s just weight and height. Majority of rugby players are classed as obese by the BMI but only have 15% body fat.

As stated earlier, BMI is a good rough guide, if you have a BMI or 40 is going to be fat…to get that to be “normal” you have to be 7ft 5.

People who say BMI is nonsense are merely talking about the black and white nature of where the line is drawn at 30. Perhaps every time someone mention BMI it comes with a caveat “not talking about Rugby players” since that is always the rebuttal, always…and then..not talking about body builders. Clearly people are talking about those who are sedentary with a big belly. You would know you are healthy yet with a high BMI.

 

[andybird123]

Surely with diabetes, he should be limiting both the fruit and rice as both not good for controlling the condition and are contributing to his weight, more protein in the way of chicken is more beneficial

yeah, you try telling him that lol

all carbs are easy to overeat as they suppress leptin (evolutionarily as carbs are rare in nature, so when we find some we are supposed to over eat to put on fat for when we don't have food)

 

[Felon]

People have also become convinced cooking takes a load of time and effort but you can make simple nutritious meals in less than the time it takes to cook a pizza. We need to improve education around food, and also make better food more easily available

For me there's a huge problem with the food industry, where it has basically filled our environment with absolute garbage and it's happened so fast, we just don't know how to deal with it.

I was in Leicester Forest services a month or so back at the KFC (stopping off on a long trip), and it took me about 10 mins to get served - because the whole place was backed up with Deliveroo and Just-Eat drivers, collecting orders from the services.

It got me thinking - wtf has happened, when people are ordering food to be delivered to their houses - from the damned motorway services?

 

[Shadowness]

It's not like a lot of chefs haven't tried to raise 'awareness'.

I quite admire Jamie Oliver for this. His 5 ingredients books are really good, and most of them aren't really pony hard to find ingredients either.

There really isn't much of an excuse. It's just laziness most of the time.

 

[tonys]

For me there's a huge problem with the food industry, where it has basically filled our environment with absolute garbage and it's happened so fast, we just don't know how to deal with it.

I was in Leicester Forest services a month or so back at the KFC (stopping off on a long trip), and it took me about 10 mins to get served - because the whole place was backed up with Deliveroo and Just-Eat drivers, collecting orders from the services.

It got me thinking - wtf has happened, when people are ordering food to be delivered to their houses - from the damned motorway services?

We'll all be like the people in Wal-E, overweight, glued to infomedia and immobile

 

[One More Solo]

It's not like a lot of chefs haven't tried to raise 'awareness'.

I quite admire Jamie Oliver for this. His 5 ingredients books are really good, and most of them aren't really pony hard to find ingredients either.

There really isn't much of an excuse. It's just laziness most of the time.

Laziness is part of it but I bet a huge number of people genuinely lack the knowledge now to cook incredibly basic food. We all laughed at Delia teaching people how to boil an egg back in the day but if parents don’t cook and that’s normalised, then how will kids learn? We’ve totally lost any semblance of a food culture in the U.K. in a lot of key demographics.

 

[chaparral]

Sh what goes on with some folk who can eat for England but never put an ounce on? How does that happen?

Guessing it because people like myself who don't put weight on is because i lived on junk food & Coca-Cola drinks almost everyday instead of having proper meals & drinks
Up to the age of around 45 i never weighted more then 9 1/2 stone (normally i just used to just go up/down from 8st to 9st) all the time

 

[Tefal]

I'm sure the governments plan of hiding all the bad food at the back of stores hasn't made the slightest difference, fatty wants biscuits, fatty will get biscuits! It's a few extra steps though.

Helps stores sell more stuff on the way too?

Didn't there use to be a thing that they put the essentials at the back so you have to walk past the sale items

 

[tonys]

Helps stores sell more stuff on the way too?

Didn't there use to be a thing that they put the essentials at the back so you have to walk past the sale items

They also change where they put things to get you to go hunting for what you want and see something you don't need but buy anyway

 

[Tefal]

They also change where they put things to get you to go hunting for what you want and see something you don't need but buy anyway

The local tesco has been doing this since covid and not updating the signs.

The frozen pizza sign leads only to frozen veggies ironically though, so maybe its for the best?

 

[tonys]

The local tesco has been doing this since covid and not updating the signs.

The frozen pizza sign leads only to frozen veggies ironically though, so maybe its for the best?

You'll have to look for the frozen veggies then

 

[Shadowness]

They also change where they put things to get you to go hunting for what you want and see something you don't need but buy anyway

They don't really move fruit and veg though do they?