Obesity

malachi said:
99.9% of people who are overweight is because they eat too much or too much of the wrong thing.

No one is born overweight.
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That's actually not true but I agree is very unlikely.

The simple fact for most people is this, eat fewer calories than you need and you will lose weight, eat more and you will gain weight. What those calories are is essentially irrelevant and it bemuses me why it is made out to be so complicated.
 
Sheff said:
The majority of rugby players will know if they're healthy or not, for the general public BMI is a good indicator to start with and complements other information.
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Exactly - people poo-poo BMI, whereas for the average public it's a useful too. There exceptions that make the rule, as you say rugby players (as an ex-rugger bugger myself) and other athletes will often skew BMI. I mean I'm 30.1, but I'm around 14-15% bodyfat - but I know this, my Dr knows this, and I'm clued up on nutrition. The average person using BMI is a good guideline to help make you make a decision on your lifestyle.

If people can use it as a prompt to just improve their lifestyles ever so slightly then we're on to a better future as a nation.

It's been done to death now in this thread, but UPF, and poor dietary choices are single handily to blame for this. It's no one else's fault other than those that have chosen the ready meal over the fresh meal. Over-eating on freshly made, whole foods is a lot harder to do than from processed foods. Add into this good bed/sleep hygiene, and some physical activities during the week, then you will start to make a difference.

People don't want to be accountable for their actions, and blame Big Farma ( well, big food processing operations, but that makes it less jokey ) for it and the fact that poor foods are "cheaper"... when they invariably are not when you consider the nutritional value. £ vs Nutritional impact, wholefoods are much higher value. They also blame lack of time - absolutely horse manure. If you're desperate to watch that box set, or doom scroll on unsocial media then do it whilst bulk cooking or something - do better. There's no excuse.
 
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While I was growing up my older sister would now be classed as obese even though she eat the same as me and my other sister, even when dieting she didn't lose much weight. Now she is morbidly overweight, about 24st. She follows our nan and mum's body shape of short and dumpy, whereas me and my other sister follow dad's which is tall and thin(not quite thin around the middle now though). I don't eat more than I used to probably a bit less.
 
My dad always said they should weigh people with their luggage for flights and you pay extra for more weight.
They just need to stop worrying about hurting fat people's feelings. Fat people clothes should be special order and expensive, just lots of things to discourage it.
 
robj20 said:
My dad always said they should weigh people with their luggage for flights and you pay extra for more weight.
They just need to stop worrying about hurting fat people's feelings. Fat people clothes should be special order and expensive, just lots of things to discourage it.
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Sorry but in this day and age of pc, nimbyism, wokeness and all the other stuff you can't single out the luggage to make them pay extra.
 
Freefaller said:
It's been done to death now in this thread, but UPF, and poor dietary choices are single handily to blame for this. It's no one else's fault other than those that have chosen the ready meal over the fresh meal. Over-eating on freshly made, whole foods is a lot harder to do than from processed foods. Add into this good bed/sleep hygiene, and some physical activities during the week, then you will start to make a difference.

People don't want to be accountable for their actions, and blame Big Farma ( well, big food processing operations, but that makes it less jokey ) for it and the fact that poor foods are "cheaper"... when they invariably are not when you consider the nutritional value. £ vs Nutritional impact, wholefoods are much higher value. They also blame lack of time - absolutely horse manure. If you're desperate to watch that box set, or doom scroll on unsocial media then do it whilst bulk cooking or something - do better. There's no excuse.
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I was obese. I've tried to lose weight all my life, I tried every diet and lifestyle change the doctors suggested, but ultimately they were fundamentally wrong in their approach (and we see this repeated constantly with everyone who starts to put on weight). I lost a bit of weight but it always came back because what they were suggesting was not sustainable.

Eat less move more is just a fundamentally broken idea, which the stats show unequivocally.

The only way I've managed to beat food addictions and actually lose weight (and losing weight was a pre-requisite for then being able to do exercise) was to go carb-free - not only does trying to go carb-free in and of itself preclude junk food, but once you actually go cold turkey from sugar (had literal withdrawl symptoms for 2-3 weeks), THEN you can actually start to say no to things. Brain scans show sugar is as addictive as cocaine.

So no, I don't agree that this is "all their fault" and that medical and food industry share none of the blame - "nutrition science" is completely morally bankrupt (being 90% funded by the food companies themselves), and do you know what testing is in food development? They put out 2 different new formulations of a product (either a new product or an old product they want to try out a new recipe for), and they give it to people to eat, which ever version leads people to eat more, thats the one they box and sell, they deliberately make the food addictive and they know full well they are doing it.
Food companies even fund contradicting studies precisely because they want to just confuse everyone because when people get confused they stop caring about "what scientists say".
 
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andybird123 said:
I was obese. I've tried to lose weight all my life, I tried every diet and lifestyle change the doctors suggested, but ultimately they were fundamentally wrong in their approach (and we see this repeated constantly with everyone who starts to put on weight). I lost a bit of weight but it always came back because what they were suggesting was not sustainable.

Eat less move more is just a fundamentally broken idea, which the stats show unequivocally.

The only way I've managed to beat food addictions and actually lose weight (and losing weight was a pre-requisite for then being able to do exercise) was to go carb-free - not only does trying to go carb-free in and of itself preclude junk food, but once you actually go cold turkey from sugar (had literal withdrawl symptoms for 2-3 weeks), THEN you can actually start to say no to things. Brain scans show sugar is as addictive as cocaine.

So no, I don't agree that this is "all their fault" and that medical and food industry share none of the blame - "nutrition science" is completely morally bankrupt (being 90% funded by the food companies themselves), and do you know what testing is in food development? They put out 2 different new formulations of a product (either a new product or an old product they want to try out a new recipe for), and they give it to people to eat, which ever version leads people to eat more, thats the one they box and sell, they deliberately make the food addictive and they know full well they are doing it.
Food companies even fund contradicting studies precisely because they want to just confuse everyone because when people get confused they stop caring about "what scientists say".
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Eat less, move more, works for me.
During the week I eat very little, weekend I can just eat what I want.
I walk and cycle as much as I can as well, I think carb free would pretty much put an end to cycling you just wouldn't have the energy.
 
robj20 said:
Eat less, move more, works for me.
During the week I eat very little, weekend I can just eat what I want.
I walk and cycle as much as I can as well, I think carb free would pretty much put an end to cycling you just wouldn't have the energy.
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That's probably all well and good for you but a lot of people just can't do that sort of regime.
 
I wholly disagree that doctors are wrong in their approach that eat less, move more. I've said before, and I still have full respect on how you lost weight, just because it worked for you, it doesn't mean it is right for everyone. Your "stats" however, how about the entire population of Japan, with only 4% obese (and that is 25% BMI for that matter), would suggest that they are not all on a high protein and no carbs diet. Before people go, but genetics! Genetics can only take you so far, people in Japan just move more. Even those work in the office, why? Because most Japanese don't drive due to lack of space, they take public transport, and accommodation within a 15mins walk to any train station would considered to be close and therefore, more expensive. It is quite normal to walk 20+ mins to the station for your first train, and then change, and then walk some more, another train and then walk another 10mins to the office. By the time you get to the office you probably walked about 3km.

By luck or by design of the way they live, they simply move more. When I go there to visit, even though I picked a hotel practically next door to the station, by the time I get to the platform I walked about 1000 steps already, any the time I get to whatever museum or temple I planned to go to that morning, it would normally be at least 3,000 steps. I normally hit 10,000 steps by lunch time. Last year, in 11 days I clocked up about 150km in walking. It is an inside joke on a Japan travel discord that "Japan breaks your feet".

As I said before, although the line is grey, it isn't an ocean of grey. All those POW aren't skinny because they were on Keto eating nothing but steaks.

p.s. I am currently eating less, moving more, I am down to 88.5kg this morning, down from 92kg from 11 days ago.
 
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tonys said:
That's probably all well and good for you but a lot of people just can't do that sort of regime.
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Definitely, got to go with what's doable long term.
Is carb free healthy long term, topic for another thread I imagine.

I 100% think children should be weighed in schools and is they are obese parents should be fined. It would go a long way in helping the next generation, also better food tech in schools.
Obviously medical reasons aside.
 
robj20 said:
Definitely, got to go with what's doable long term.
Is carb free healthy long term, topic for another thread I imagine.

I 100% think children should be weighed in schools and is they are obese parents should be fined. It would go a long way in helping the next generation, also better food tech in schools.
Obviously medical reasons aside.
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You have to start at the source, which is the food industry, followed by the population. Have the food industry produce decent food and educate the population, especially people who want kids
 
robj20 said:
Definitely, got to go with what's doable long term.
Is carb free healthy long term, topic for another thread I imagine.

I 100% think children should be weighed in schools and is they are obese parents should be fined. It would go a long way in helping the next generation, also better food tech in schools.
Obviously medical reasons aside.
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Aside from the fine this already takes place, it's called the National Childhood Measurement programme and parents are informed if their child is underweight, overweight or obese.
 
andybird123 said:
I was obese. I've tried to lose weight all my life, I tried every diet and lifestyle change the doctors suggested, but ultimately they were fundamentally wrong in their approach (and we see this repeated constantly with everyone who starts to put on weight). I lost a bit of weight but it always came back because what they were suggesting was not sustainable.

Eat less move more is just a fundamentally broken idea, which the stats show unequivocally.

The only way I've managed to beat food addictions and actually lose weight (and losing weight was a pre-requisite for then being able to do exercise) was to go carb-free - not only does trying to go carb-free in and of itself preclude junk food, but once you actually go cold turkey from sugar (had literal withdrawl symptoms for 2-3 weeks), THEN you can actually start to say no to things. Brain scans show sugar is as addictive as cocaine.

So no, I don't agree that this is "all their fault" and that medical and food industry share none of the blame - "nutrition science" is completely morally bankrupt (being 90% funded by the food companies themselves), and do you know what testing is in food development? They put out 2 different new formulations of a product (either a new product or an old product they want to try out a new recipe for), and they give it to people to eat, which ever version leads people to eat more, thats the one they box and sell, they deliberately make the food addictive and they know full well they are doing it.
Food companies even fund contradicting studies precisely because they want to just confuse everyone because when people get confused they stop caring about "what scientists say".
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Sugar is added to foods. That's a major factor and goes back to my point about processed foods.

The food industry share a huge amount of the blame as I said. The fact they can produce more food for less is exactly the point. They ultra process it to make it go further.

However I still stand by it's people's choices to choose poor quality foods over whole foods and not making the effort to eat properly.
 
Freefaller said:
Sugar is added to foods. That's a major factor and goes back to my point about processed foods.

The food industry share a huge amount of the blame as I said. The fact they can produce more food for less is exactly the point. They ultra process it to make it go further.

However I still stand by it's people's choices to choose poor quality foods over whole foods and not making the effort to eat properly.
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It's the chemical additives that get me, there is no real reason to put them into food.
 
Screeeech said:
For me there's a huge problem with the food industry, where it has basically filled our environment with absolute garbage and it's happened so fast, we just don't know how to deal with it.

I was in Leicester Forest services a month or so back at the KFC (stopping off on a long trip), and it took me about 10 mins to get served - because the whole place was backed up with Deliveroo and Just-Eat drivers, collecting orders from the services.

It got me thinking - wtf has happened, when people are ordering food to be delivered to their houses - from the damned motorway services?
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Why are Deliveroo etc doing orders from motorway service stations FFS? In the case of KFC, there's one in Fosse Park, 1.5-2 miles from LFE services.

Its a bit of a palaver picking up from service stations as need to drive to the next junction to swing round.
 
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