Obesity

andybird123 said:
That's like saying "alcohol isn't the problem because then everyone would be an alcoholic"

25% of people are obese, a further 37% are overweight, thats a total of 62% of the UK, but its not a problem, riiiiight

everyone has tried "eat less move more" it doesn't work, it just doesn't
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Alcoholics are Alcoholics because they drink too much alcohol.

Fat people are not fat because of carbohydrates, they are fat because of flat out gluttony/laziness in 99% of cases disregarding medical conditions.

What is it with when people find their thing they try so hard to convince others that is the only way, it is not.

Great that Keto works for you, i assume you probably know that it has helped you lose weight because you're in a deficit as cutting out carbs will massively reduce your calorie intake, putting you in that 'eat less' thing that 'doesn't work'
 
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andybird123 said:
most people eat carbs, most people in the UK are overweight or obese, by your own logic it makes carbs the problem, you said so yourself

in the US its 41% obese alone, without even adding the overweight
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You forgot the part where people in the UK would drive to work and then sit down all day in their chair. And then drink 5 cups of teas a day with 2 sugars, and then eat cake because it’s someone’s birthday in the office along with their Tesco meal deal which has like 900 cal.

You take no account into the sedentary lifestyle in this country, or the ease of junk food, or the drinking culture.

Make everyone walk 3km before they get to their office chair, remove the cake and then see what happens.
 
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Defy Belief said:
What is it with when people find their thing they try so hard to convince others that is the only way, it is not.

Great that Keto works for you, i assume you probably know that it has helped you lose weight because you're in a deficit as cutting out carbs will massively reduce your calorie intake, putting you in that 'eat less' thing that 'doesn't work'
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No, thats fine, I know not everyone wants or needs to do the diet I'm doing. I do however wish I'd known about this sooner as for me its been a complete game changer, so if anyone finds this info and finds it helpful then that is also fine.
I'm basically carnivore, not keto.

When I was doing calorie restriction I started on 1500 calories and my weight loss quickly plateaued, I had to hit 1200 and then 1000 a day to keep losing weight - this was absolute hell as I would eat something with carbs, spike insulin, insulin would cause glucose to drop which would cause hunger but then I wasn't "allowed" to eat anything, it was a living hell which is why I gave up. When I was doing keto I could eat 1800-2000 calories every day and lose weight AND not be AT ALL hungry. Now that I'm carnivore I can eat 3000 calories a day without gaining any significant weight (gain muscle but lose fat) and whenever I want I can go 2 days without eating anything and obviously I then lose fat (without losing muscle).

So no, on keto I wasn't "eating less" I was actually eating more. And before you get all uppity about "breaking the laws of thermodynamics", no it doesn't not in the slightest, because the human body isn't a closed system and there's a whole load of chemical interactions that easily explain it.

The most important thing to me, on this diet, is that I feel like I have complete control over my biology, instead of my biology having control over me.
 
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I'm fairly sure I could chew through 3 cans of pringles and a couple of litres of regular coke one evening watching a movie or two.

On the other hand, I'm also fairly sure I couldn't eat anywhere near the equivalent 2.5kg of chicken breast.

Lots of snack food is ultra dense in calories.

Personally a fan of time restricted eating + mostly whole foods. Two large meals per day works well for me.

Everyone is different, no one size fits all. The only common thread is the NHS diet / health advice is terrible and mostly based on very limitted, biased data from 60 years ago.
 
andybird123 said:
No, thats fine, I know not everyone wants or needs to do the diet I'm doing. I do however wish I'd known about this sooner as for me its been a complete game changer, so if anyone finds this info and finds it helpful then that is also fine.
I'm basically carnivore, not keto.

When I was doing calorie restriction I started on 1500 calories and my weight loss quickly plateaued, I had to hit 1200 and then 1000 a day to keep losing weight - this was absolute hell as I would eat something with carbs, spike insulin, insulin would cause glucose to drop which would cause hunger but then I wasn't "allowed" to eat anything, it was a living hell which is why I gave up. When I was doing keto I could eat 1800-2000 calories every day and lose weight AND not be AT ALL hungry. Now that I'm carnivore I can eat 3000 calories a day without gaining any significant weight (gain muscle but lose fat) and whenever I want I can go 2 days without eating anything and obviously I then lose fat (without losing muscle).

So no, on keto I wasn't "eating less" I was actually eating more. And before you get all uppity about "breaking the laws of thermodynamics", no it doesn't not in the slightest, because the human body isn't a closed system and there's a whole load of chemical interactions that easily explain it.

The most important thing to me, on this diet, is that I feel like I have complete control over my biology, instead of my biology having control over me.
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Can't help but feel medical stuff might be at hand here too. Nearly 19 stone on 1500 calories a day is far too low to not absolutely hate yourself and if it plateaued something isn't right there as your BMR is never 1200/1000 at that weight even if you laid in bed all day.

But I'm glad you found what works for you and definitely must be in a better place now you're nearly half the weight you started at!

I know I'd 100% lose performance in my training cutting out carbs and I enjoy them too much to ever even consider cutting them out. :p
 
andybird123 said:
That's like saying "alcohol isn't the problem because then everyone would be an alcoholic"

25% of people are obese, a further 37% are overweight, thats a total of 62% of the UK, but its not a problem, riiiiight

everyone has tried "eat less move more" it doesn't work, it just doesn't
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Its not a problem, the problem is socialist things like the NHS.

Let a doctor and a statistician look at me and charge me insurance relating to my risk for medical issues. My insurance costs will be extremely low.
andybird123 said:
No, thats fine, I know not everyone wants or needs to do the diet I'm doing. I do however wish I'd known about this sooner as for me its been a complete game changer, so if anyone finds this info and finds it helpful then that is also fine.
I'm basically carnivore, not keto.

When I was doing calorie restriction I started on 1500 calories and my weight loss quickly plateaued, I had to hit 1200 and then 1000 a day to keep losing weight - this was absolute hell as I would eat something with carbs, spike insulin, insulin would cause glucose to drop which would cause hunger but then I wasn't "allowed" to eat anything, it was a living hell which is why I gave up. When I was doing keto I could eat 1800-2000 calories every day and lose weight AND not be AT ALL hungry. Now that I'm carnivore I can eat 3000 calories a day without gaining any significant weight (gain muscle but lose fat) and whenever I want I can go 2 days without eating anything and obviously I then lose fat (without losing muscle).

So no, on keto I wasn't "eating less" I was actually eating more. And before you get all uppity about "breaking the laws of thermodynamics", no it doesn't not in the slightest, because the human body isn't a closed system and there's a whole load of chemical interactions that easily explain it.

The most important thing to me, on this diet, is that I feel like I have complete control over my biology, instead of my biology having control over me.
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I went carnivore/keto, on the basis of mental improvement, general energy levels, i was not fat.

The weight loss and other changes shocked me tbh, i have essentially unlocked knowledge through experience.

It would be useful for someone to know this, as i know it, because if you are fat and wish to loose weight, yes you can just steak and eggs lol.

I want one fat guy to read, wait, i can eat steak and eggs. Do it for 1 single month, and their mind would be blown at the result.
 
Also whilst people slating the NHS for their advice, their biggest failure is the sheer lack of mental health support out there for people struggling, made even worse from covid etc.

I'd love to get some figures of what % of those that are obese, have mental health struggles, bet it's high.
 
Raymond Lin said:
You forgot the part where people in the UK would drive to work and then sit down all day in their chair. And then drink 5 cups of teas a day with 2 sugars, and then eat cake because it’s someone’s birthday in the office along with their Tesco meal deal which has like 900 cal.

You take no account into the sedentary lifestyle in this country, or the ease of junk food, or the drinking culture.

Make everyone walk 3km before they get to their office chair, remove the cake and then see what happens.
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of your 6 examples of negative behaviors, 5 of them are carbs (even drinking beer is mostly carbs, the alcohol itself is technically not carbs but the drinks usually are)

in my experience, you need to lose the weight first before you can consider doing extensive excercise, so as a preventative thats a good idea but as a treatment I don't feel like its going to work (its basically what they already suggest and it doesn't appear to be working for the majority)
 
platinum87 said:
Its not a problem, the problem is socialist things like the NHS.

Let a doctor and a statistician look at me and charge me insurance relating to my risk for medical issues. My insurance costs will be extremely low.


I went carnivore/keto, on the basis of mental improvement, general energy levels, i was not fat.

The weight loss and other changes shocked me tbh, i have essentially unlocked knowledge through experience.

It would be useful for someone to know this, as i know it, because if you are fat and wish to loose weight, yes you can just steak and eggs lol.

I want one fat guy to read, wait, i can eat steak and eggs. Do it for 1 single month, and their mind would be blown at the result.
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Yes, for me I started keto for weight loss but went carnivore because of the large numbers of anecdotes I was finding on people who had switched over, I was very skeptical, but the laundry list of conditions that have resolved, some of which I wasn't really even aware of (or had just put down to "age") until they were gone, is just amazing
there is just no way I can go back to feeling old and ill all the time
 
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andybird123 said:
of your 6 examples of negative behaviors, 5 of them are carbs (even drinking beer is mostly carbs, the alcohol itself is technically not carbs but the drinks usually are)

in my experience, you need to lose the weight first before you can consider doing extensive excercise, so as a preventative thats a good idea but as a treatment I don't feel like its going to work (its basically what they already suggest and it doesn't appear to be working for the majority)
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The majority can’t afford to eat just meat. A lot of these low income families eat a lot of carbs because it’s cheap.

Also, no doctor would advise someone to go keto as a first step to lose weight. Your science class in how the body functions aside. They can’t ignore the body needs other nutrients like vitamins to function and no, no doctors would get someone to start popping pills when they didn’t need to. For every study you have about how keto is beneficial there are a thousand how fruit and vegetables are beneficial.

What makes you think if someone can’t lose weight cutting out junk food can by cutting out carbs completely? Just because you can or just because a few studies says?

How about 7 billion people not obese yet eat carbs. Do that statistic not count? Surely that stats trumps every other studies you have? Yes you can say the UK and US…but I’m talking about a whole planet.
 
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andybird123 said:
Yes, for me I started keto for weight loss but went carnivore because of the large numbers of anecdotes I was finding on people who had switched over, I was very skeptical, but the laundry list of conditions that have resolved, some of which I wasn't really even aware of (or had just put down to "age") until they were gone, is just amazing
there is just no way I can go back to feeling old and ill all the time
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Out of interest, what does a typical day look like for you food wise?

I always struggle to work out how people do carnivore for such a long time without being bored / fitting it around a family life style must be hard (but appreciate that side may not apply!)
 
andybird123 said:
I find this statement deeply offensive. The entire system is set up to make people fail, and its all complete ******** (the vast majority of the information being peddled as well as the products).

I really can't explain in words how, having done everything the doctors asked me to do, I felt like I had absolutely no choice over what to eat - I mean, initially yes, I could do 2-3 months at a time, but ultimately not. You just aren't going to win a fight against your hormones and neurotransmitters when even the doctors are pushing your addictive substances on you and telling you to just have a bit less of them. We don't do that with any other addiction, its complete madness. I hear this from so many other people its just not even funny.
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It's your choice to be offended. The fact is there is information for people to make better choices. You clearly had a bad time with your doctors/experts. I guess you were unlucky with not having received the right grounding in food education so I guess it's not your fault. Food addiction is no different to any other but that's why the modern food manufacturers are screwing everyone over with cheap foods.

It's a mental health issue to a certain degree but also poor lifestyle choices that we have in the UK.
 
platinum87 said:
Its not a problem, the problem is socialist things like the NHS.

Let a doctor and a statistician look at me and charge me insurance relating to my risk for medical issues. My insurance costs will be extremely low.
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How does that explain the USA obesity problem? European countries with universal healthcare and Mediterranean/Northern European diets have a lower obesity prevalence than the UK and far lower than USA.
 
Sheff said:
How does that explain the USA obesity problem? European countries with universal healthcare and Mediterranean/Northern European diets have a lower obesity prevalence than the UK and far lower than USA.
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I made no mention of the obesity problem, i said NHS should be abolished so that peoples obesity problems are none of the business of the taxpayer
 
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