Obesity

Freefaller said:
Some of my family struggle with food that have MSG (not that we buy stuff with it, but when we see friends and family). I'm not surprised.

Which ones affect you?
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Msg, so gravy granules, oxo are the main one for the migraine. Others just give a mild headache or bad tinnitus. Luckily I have tablets that I can take to minimise the affects but still have the food the wife cooks.
Dark chocolate is the real culprit, milk chocolate depends on which manufacturer and how much
 
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Sheff said:
Aside from the fine this already takes place, it's called the National Childhood Measurement programme and parents are informed if their child is underweight, overweight or obese.
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I do feel some sympathy for some parents though. Some kids are just amazingly stubborn when it comes to food and particularly veg. The parents don’t want them to go hungry so they relent and in go the chicken dippers. A pal of mine had a boy who would rather go hungry than eat anything other than the usual kids convenience foods.
 
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robfosters said:
I do feel some sympathy for some parents though. Some kids are just amazingly stubborn when it comes to food and particularly veg. The parents don’t want them to go hungry so they relent and in go the chicken dippers. A pal of mine had a boy who would rather go hungry than eat anything other than the usual kids convenience foods.
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My granddaughter is vegan so no chicken dippers, plain crisps yes, hardly any bread, chips yes. She's 7 next month but in 9-10 clothes only because she's tall for her age
 
robfosters said:
I do feel some sympathy for some parents though. Some kids are just amazingly stubborn when it comes to food and particularly veg. The parents don’t want them to go hungry so they relent and in go the chicken dippers. A pal of mine had a boy who would rather go hungry than eat anything other than the usual kids convenience foods.
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The thing is with humans, when one is hungry enough, one would eat other humans. Yes, it's extreme...but just to illustrate that if a kid is presented nothing but healthy food, like greens, whole grains and good meat (not chicken nuggets), they will eat it when they get hungry enough.
 
Raymond Lin said:
The thing is with humans, when one is hungry enough, one would eat other humans. Yes, it's extreme...but just to illustrate that if a kid is presented nothing but healthy food, like greens, whole grains and good meat (not chicken nuggets), they will eat it when they get hungry enough.
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Most people won't try foods of other cultures,if it is out of their comfort zone.
 
Freefaller said:
However I still stand by it's people's choices to choose poor quality foods over whole foods and not making the effort to eat properly.
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I find this statement deeply offensive. The entire system is set up to make people fail, and its all complete ******** (the vast majority of the information being peddled as well as the products).

I really can't explain in words how, having done everything the doctors asked me to do, I felt like I had absolutely no choice over what to eat - I mean, initially yes, I could do 2-3 months at a time, but ultimately not. You just aren't going to win a fight against your hormones and neurotransmitters when even the doctors are pushing your addictive substances on you and telling you to just have a bit less of them. We don't do that with any other addiction, its complete madness. I hear this from so many other people its just not even funny.
 
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andybird123 said:
I find this statement deeply offensive. The entire system is set up to make people fail, and its all complete ******** (the vast majority of the information being peddled as well as the products).

I really can't explain in words how, having done everything the doctors asked me to do, I felt like I had absolutely no choice over what to eat - I mean, initially yes, I could do 2-3 months at a time, but ultimately not. You just aren't going to win a fight against your hormones and neurotransmitters when even the doctors are pushing your addictive substances on you and telling you to just have a bit less of them. We don't do that with any other addiction, its complete madness. I hear this from so many other people its just not even funny.
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What does this mean? Are they prescribing you Cadbury's Fruit and Nut or something?
 
robfosters said:
I do feel some sympathy for some parents though. Some kids are just amazingly stubborn when it comes to food and particularly veg. The parents don’t want them to go hungry so they relent and in go the chicken dippers. A pal of mine had a boy who would rather go hungry than eat anything other than the usual kids convenience foods.
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Parents still have responsibilities. Kids are on junk food from a very early age these days (they have high chairs in McDonalds...) and it's downhill from there.
 
Raymond Lin said:
What does this mean? Are they prescribing you Cadbury's Fruit and Nut or something?
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for me, it was carbs in all forms then drive cravings for sugary things (not even just sugary things, anything carb based, chips, bread, pasta, all of it, it all gets converted to glucose when you eat it), so basically yes, in effect its the same end result

I can walk you through the interactions of insulin, leptin, ghrelin and dopamine if you really want

when the doc keeps telling you you should be eating 75% calories from carb based foods then yes that is a real problem
 
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andybird123 said:
I find this statement deeply offensive. The entire system is set up to make people fail, and its all complete ******** (the vast majority of the information being peddled as well as the products).

I really can't explain in words how, having done everything the doctors asked me to do, I felt like I had absolutely no choice over what to eat - I mean, initially yes, I could do 2-3 months at a time, but ultimately not. You just aren't going to win a fight against your hormones and neurotransmitters when even the doctors are pushing your addictive substances on you and telling you to just have a bit less of them. We don't do that with any other addiction, its complete madness. I hear this from so many other people its just not even funny.
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I find this post offensive. Just don't eat the donut. Have willpower. Eat whole foods, veg and salad. Stay away from sugar as much as possible. Walk. You don't need a doctors or nutritionists advice for this.

I believe in you.
 
andybird123 said:
for me, it was carbs in all forms then drive cravings for sugary things, so basically yes, in effect its the same end result

I can walk you through the interactions of insulin, leptin, ghrelin and dopamine if you really want
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No it’s fine…

And I think you have taken the doctor’s advice and added a twist on it. There is no way they would advice you to over eat, if you can’t stop eating, don’t blame it on cravings…sure there may be a biological effect but there is something call self control. They probably said something like eat more fruit and veg…and you call that “addictive substance”.

I wish people stop blaming others and look at themselves more. I firmly believe that if one wants to stop eating…they can (before anyone come back with, but medical condition!), just apply some self control.

As I said before, well done for losing all that weight but clearly you can do it. As for people are fat and eat carbs. For every person like that, say, for every billion obese person, there are 7 billion not obese persons…how many of those are on keto?

If we are talking about studies, not sure any studies can beat and entire planet.

If carbs are the reason people are obese then everyone who eats carbs would be obese. But that’s not true though, why is it not true? Because they burn more than they eat (for 7 billion people).
 
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Zatoichi.uK said:
I find this post offensive. Just don't eat the donut. Have willpower. Eat whole foods, veg and salad. Stay away from sugar as much as possible. Walk. You don't need a doctors or nutritionists advice for this.

I believe in you.
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Most foods contain carbs and sugar so the only option would be protein mostly
 
Raymond Lin said:
If carbs are the reason people are obese then everyone who eats carbs would be obese.
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That's like saying "alcohol isn't the problem because then everyone would be an alcoholic"

25% of people are obese, a further 37% are overweight, thats a total of 62% of the UK, but its not a problem, riiiiight

everyone has tried "eat less move more" it doesn't work, it just doesn't
 
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andybird123 said:
That's like saying "alcohol isn't the problem because then everyone would be an alcoholic"

25% of people are obese, a further 37% are overweight, thats a total of 62% of the UK, but its not a problem, riiiiight
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And you take a sweeping broad brush to blame it on carbs? As opposed to eating too much? Too much processed food? I guarantee you if you limit all those obese to 1 jacket potato a day for a month, they will all lose weight, even if they don’t get off their sofa.

The fact that you take a doctor’s advice on eating fruit and veg and label it addictive substances shows your bias on a mission to eliminate carbs from humanity but you can’t answer me why 7 billion aren’t obese…I bet not many of those are on keto…I bet a lot of those can’t even afford to eat meat. Actually, I know there are people on this planet can’t afford to eat meat.
 
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