You were replying to a post about obesity in the UK.
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Soldato
If you cannot be bothered to read posts i dont know what to tell you
Ah, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt and hoped that your were suggesting that privatised healthcare would lead to people taking responsibility and therefore reducing obesity, hence it not being a problem.
But I clearly should have known better!
And when your medical insurance or private surgeon won't do your treatment or pay out where will you go or do?
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Most days I have bacon and eggs for breakfast - typically around noon, then about 4pm I very often have burgers (home made, grass fed beef) with cheese and sour cream (sour cream is basically my mayo now unless I can be bothered to make hollandaise fresh but that also keeps in the fridge for a couple of days)
thats my go-to and I love it and I have not gotten bored of it in 8 months of regular consumption, I do like steak most weeks but not every day as it is a bit more expensive.
it is handy because it means if I really can't be bothered to cook or I'm travelling and need a meal in a hurry I can get a double quarter cheese from mcd's and just throw away the bun
I'm aim to be 90+% carnivore, so I do sometimes, not every day, eat sauerkraut or kimchi and I'll have olives on "meat pizza" (pizza base made from meat topped with pizza toppings) and these don't seem to cause me a problem. I still do coffee in the morning but I've switched to decaf as I don't need the caffeine now and feel better without it.
I also do chilli with a little tomato in the sauce, stew (no flour in the gravy, just stock plus meat juices, maybe some cream or butter)
roast chicken tomorrow, curry from time to time, saturday we'll sometimes do a takeaway so I had doner kebab (no pitta obviously)
Heck do sausages that are 97% pork
Also in the fridge waiting to be eaten I've got a beef joint, a leg of lamb, pack of smoked salmon, various cheeses, we had chicken wings yesterday.
I make a cheesecake without the sugar or biscuit (I use monkfruit sweetener as its a bit more of a natural product, I tried stevia but it has a weird after taste).
I mostly prefer beef as my main thing - grass fed, as its the most nutrient dense and its easy to get hold of, where as properly fed pork and chicken is harder to find - most supermarket meat is fed on like corn and soy and funnily enough if you feed animals crap they aren't supposed to eat their meat is also not ideal for us to eat, but it is nice to have a bit of variety sometimes.
There are loads of websites with keto and carnivore recipes to either make fake "carbs" or just carnivore versions of popular dishes. When I was doing keto I still got a lot of cravings for "carbs" so I used to make keto snacks and deserts, but I've largely given those up too now as I just don't get the cravings, my kids like the cheesecake though so I do a batch with biscuit base for them and what won't fit in the container I keep separate for me and have a spoon after a meal.
Breakfast I pretty much have a set amount but afternoon I eat until I feel full, so if I do a plate and I'm still not full I'll make more and keep eating, plus my kids will eat burgers so I make like 1kg and sometimes there's left overs
I aim to eat 150g+ of protein per day and a good rule of thumb is 1g of fat per g of protein, so I use double cream, sour cream, butter, pate, hollandaise as "condiments".
I honestly don't know how I'd ever get bored, it's delicious. Even all my favourite junk food, the best bit was either the meat or the fat and on this diet I can eat as much as I want.
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I go to the gym every single day, 7 days a week. Been doing that for years.
Now, i just need to walk through the door rather than turning around and getting back in my car!
Now, i just need to walk through the door rather than turning around and getting back in my car!
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That sounds like a good diet
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World population is 7.88 bn, so 7bn not obese or overweight would be about 11% obesity/overweight rate worldwide. Every country I look up has something like India 29% obese or China, 50% overweight or obese, UK 25% obese 62% overweight or obese, US 42% obese, EU 16% obese + 36% pre-obese = 52%
None of these numbers (of the most populous countries in the world) are adding up to 11%, its looking like 50%+ overweight or obese in most countries that we can get actual stats for.
Obesity and Abdominal Obesity in Indian Population: Findings from a Nationally Representative Study of 698,286 Participants - PMC
This study aims to determine and compare the prevalence and correlates of obesity and abdominal obesity in India among participants aged 18–54 years. Data were acquired from the nationally representative National Family Health Survey 2019–21. Age ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Other (older) websites have india at 5% obesity, but that has shot up over the last decade.
All the other countries on the "low" obesity list are not very populous and most of them still have very high rates of "overweight".
How do you honestly think we are going to get from 11% to 51% in 10 years, unless 11% is grossly incorrect in the first place.
It makes me happy
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World population is 7.88 bn, so 7bn not obese or overweight would be about 11% obesity/overweight rate worldwide. Every country I look up has something like India 29% obese or China, 50% overweight or obese, UK 25% obese 62% overweight or obese, US 42% obese, EU 16% obese + 36% pre-obese = 52%
None of these numbers (of the most populous countries in the world) are adding up to 11%, its looking like 50%+ overweight or obese in most countries that we can get actual stats for.
India, the largest country in South Asia, with 1.2 billion people, is believed to have an estimated 350 million people with obesityObesity and Abdominal Obesity in Indian Population: Findings from a Nationally Representative Study of 698,286 Participants - PMC
This study aims to determine and compare the prevalence and correlates of obesity and abdominal obesity in India among participants aged 18–54 years. Data were acquired from the nationally representative National Family Health Survey 2019–21. Age ...
Other (older) websites have india at 5% obesity, but that has shot up over the last decade.
All the other countries on the "low" obesity list are not very populous and most of them still have very high rates of "overweight".
You don't see where the flaw in your logic still is don't you? I will spell it out for you very simply.
You blame Carbs as a reason that that people are obese. Then how come not everyone who eat carbs are obese?
Can you explain that?
You can't, you keep going back to "I went on keto and I lost weight". But you never ask yourself why there are people who eat carbs don't put on weight. You think it is some kind of magic, you think it must be genetics. I already said all my friends are in good shape (they are all white, English through and through), they eat everything and drink beers, they have the energy to cycle 150 miles in a day. It isn't because they are on keto. Can people on keto do the same cycle too? of course, but that doesn't mean it translate to you HAVE to be on keto to be able to do it. It also doesn't mean you have to be on keto to be fit.
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Firstly, US is 41% government for medical spending, the UK is 85%.
It is an assumption of many people that the UK is 100%, and the USA is 0%.
Adjusting that % in any way will have zero effect on obesity levels.
The differences in obesity levels in the world is based on diet, and the culture.
I dont know but it would be my problem, not the states problem, and not your problem.
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Ok, not everyone who drinks alcohol is an alcoholic Can you explain that?
BUT, every alcoholic drinks alcohol
everyone who IS obese eats carbs
you have it backwards, not everyone can afford to become obese, not everyone who eats carbs will become addicted to them, but that doesn't mean that the addiction doesn't exist and doesn't cause health problems - the numbers of obese (and rising) show that it IS becoming more of a problem
we don't have to stop everyone from eating carbs if they can do it responsibly in the same way that I'm not suggesting we ban alcohol - but for those that do have a problem, we can suggest they try abstinence
nobody requires alcohol to survive, most people don't require carbs to survive (and if they are obese it suggests they have enough money to switch their diet to less of something healthier)
Insulin tells the body to store fat, carbs trigger insulin, you literally require insulin to become obese, you literally need blood glucose to spike to trigger insulin, you can only become obese by having excess glucose (sugar) in your blood
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Have you used the NHS for anything up til now?
Caporegime
It is you have it backwards, just because there is a correlation, it doesn't mean its the causation. You do not and never have taken into account after all these years that People EAT TO MUCH. You keep forgetting that, you keep leaving that out.
Eat a single potato a day for a month, see how much weight you gain. It is Nothing but carbs.
Equally, for an experiment, eat a kg of lard everyday for a month on top of your diet, come back and tell me you haven't put not weight.
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There is never a one fix fixes all, that's for sure
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If I ate even 50g of fat over what I currently eat, I would get rampant diarrhea as my body expelled the excess fat (I know this from direct experience). I dread to think of the mess 1kg would make, if you even managed to keep it down without throwing up.
Ref my statement above about insulin and what it does and how it works.
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Caporegime
Drink it as protein shake then, drink 16 of those a day on top of your normal diet. (Let's say 1 per hour, every hour of you being awake). Google tells me an average shake has 200 calories.
I will be a vegetarian for a month at 1600 calories a day.
Come back in a month, let's see if your insulin will keep you skinny drinking all that protein shake.
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Not since i was a child, and i would say, various vaccines and so forth i guess.
So you have been very lucky, because there are not many people who can claim that.
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I physically could not do that either.
You're just highlighting how easy it is to over consume carbs and how violently difficult it would be to overconsume protein or fat to the same degree.
Also, which protein shakes? Check the ingredients because premixed ones usually have the 1st ingredient llisted as "glucose".
I don't know what part of this your not getting, im advocating this diet exactly because it allows you NOT to overeat. Carbs block leptin which ALLOWS you to over eat. Protein and fat trigger ghrelin which triggers satiety and helps you stop eating.
This is basic biology.
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Caporegime
If you did, do you think you will still be in the same shape as you are now?
Choose burgers, lard, protein shake, avocado, bacon, cheese, , pick your poison. Just eat that extra 3000 calories on top of your diet, everyday for a month. Don't do any extra exercise.
What do you think will happen? Poop it all out?
Putting on weight by overeating isn't new....this is my entire point from the start.