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strumpusplunket · 27 Jun 2018 at 22:05

Another one incoming! Just waiting for case and SSDs to arrive tomorrow. Getting excited!

eddiew · 27 Jun 2018 at 22:25

strumpusplunket said:
Another one incoming! Just waiting for case and SSDs to arrive tomorrow. Getting excited!

I really do not want to be that guy... but check the VRM heatsink on the Gigabyte before you break the seals if you plan to put the APU in it.

(Hint; it doesn't have a heatsink on the SOC mosfets. I'm genuinely sorry to ruin your moment, but you probably need to know. In your place I would return it unopened and get a different board. Sorry.)

strumpusplunket · 27 Jun 2018 at 22:32

eddiew said:
I really do not want to be that guy... but check the VRM heatsink on the Gigabyte before you break the seals if you plan to put the APU in it.

(Hint; it doesn't have a heatsink on the SOC mosfets. I'm genuinely sorry to ruin your moment, but you probably need to know. In your place I would return it unopened and get a different board. Sorry.)

Argh. Really? Anything I can do other than returning it? (Spot fan cooling, for example?). Any other mATX Ryzen board that would work better with a Raven Ridge APU?

Edit: It is still unopened at the moment.

eddiew · 27 Jun 2018 at 23:00

strumpusplunket said:
Argh. Really? Anything I can do other than returning it? (Spot fan cooling, for example?). Any other mATX Ryzen board that would work better with a Raven Ridge APU?

Edit: It is still unopened at the moment.

No heatsink at all on the SoC VRMs, I don't believe fans can help much. I mean, check online, see what other people's experiences are, but... yeah, do it before you open the box because it was created before APUs existed and it's possible that it just fell into the gap when manufacturers didn't know what to prepare for.

(My opinion is slanted, I think I have a particularly bad example of that board that has been uncooperative since day 1 - but not all are as bad.)

I don't know if there are significantly better mATX boards - AM4 has very few to start with - but you can at least find some with heatsinks.

Illuminist · 27 Jun 2018 at 23:03

Hey there, I recently purchased a 2700x and gigabyte aorus x470 ultra gaming motherboard, with 16gb of ddr 4 team group ram 3200mhz, so i thought i'd come and join the party

I do have a question though... I can't get the ram to run at anything over 2800mhz even if i slack off the timings and overvolt, any ideas what I can do?

strumpusplunket · 28 Jun 2018 at 09:02

eddiew said:
No heatsink at all on the SoC VRMs, I don't believe fans can help much. I mean, check online, see what other people's experiences are, but... yeah, do it before you open the box because it was created before APUs existed and it's possible that it just fell into the gap when manufacturers didn't know what to prepare for.

(My opinion is slanted, I think I have a particularly bad example of that board that has been uncooperative since day 1 - but not all are as bad.)

I don't know if there are significantly better mATX boards - AM4 has very few to start with - but you can at least find some with heatsinks.

I just remembered - I got OcUK to flash the BIOS for me, so it won't be sealed anyway. Don't know if this will be an issue.

Looking at the pics on the OcUK page, it looks to me like the only mATX boards that come with SoC MOSFET heatsinks are the Asrock ones, and only this one is in stock.

It's £15 more than mine, and adding in the cost of return postage, it would be a lot cheaper to buy something like the Enzotech MOSFET heatsinks for a tenner:

Hopefully that will work out, otherwise this is going to be a bit more expensive than I'd planned.

Illuminist · 28 Jun 2018 at 09:24

strumpusplunket said:
Another one incoming! Just waiting for case and SSDs to arrive tomorrow. Getting excited!

Nice, apart from that horrible box, 3 boxes from the top.... XD

eddiew · 28 Jun 2018 at 09:40

strumpusplunket said:
It's £15 more than mine, and adding in the cost of return postage, it would be a lot cheaper to buy something like the Enzotech MOSFET heatsinks for a tenner:

Certainly worth a go

It's worth mentioning that B450 is out next month. While they do all look like quick refreshes of B350, I'd hope they've acknowledged the existence of APUs now and will have heatsinked those naked mosfets... Just something you could look into if you wanted

strumpusplunket · 28 Jun 2018 at 10:05

Illuminist said:
Nice, apart from that horrible box, 3 boxes from the top.... XD

Ah, yeah. Gotta get the look right!

Now complete tower of shiny:

Let the building commence! (Well, after work...)

eddiew said:
Certainly worth a go

It's worth mentioning that B450 is out next month. While they do all look like quick refreshes of B350, I'd hope they've acknowledged the existence of APUs now and will have heatsinked those naked mosfets... Just something you could look into if you wanted

Yeah, I know my timing's not great here. I might end up picking up a mid-range B450 around Christmas or next year if this board isn't working out that well.

I've had a look around for reports of people's experiences of this board. I see some people had issues with the CPU VRMs with the high-core count chips and overclocks, but I've seen videos of people using this set-up for gaming and didn't see any reported issues there. Fingers crossed.

Thanks for bringing this to my attention, though. It's definintely something I'll be keeping an eye on when I set it up, and hopefully those MOSFET heatsinks will do the job if they're required.

Illuminist · 28 Jun 2018 at 10:13

strumpusplunket said:
Ah, yeah. Gotta get the look right!

Now complete tower of shiny:

I meant that it was nvidia not an AMD card to go with the rest but turning it around helped also lol

strumpusplunket · 28 Jun 2018 at 10:17

Illuminist said:
I meant that it was nvidia not an AMD card to go with the rest but turning it around helped also lol

Ah.

I did think it looked ugly once you mentioned it, though.

I'm quite impressed you could tell it was an nvidia GFX card from that shot, though. I guess the green edging is a bit of a giveaway, but I'd not have been able to pick that if I'd seen that shot...

Illuminist · 28 Jun 2018 at 10:43

strumpusplunket said:
Ah.

I did think it looked ugly once you mentioned it, though.

I'm quite impressed you could tell it was an nvidia GFX card from that shot, though. I guess the green edging is a bit of a giveaway, but I'd not have been able to pick that if I'd seen that shot...

It's the font that got me first, then i saw the green lol

strumpusplunket · 28 Jun 2018 at 10:55

Illuminist said:
It's the font that got me first, then i saw the green lol

Well... good spot, sir!

Also... new case just arrived.

So difficult to wait until the end of the day to get building!

EDIT: Ah, no, wait! My nvme drive isn't here yet

eddiew · 28 Jun 2018 at 12:12

strumpusplunket said:
I've had a look around for reports of people's experiences of this board. I see some people had issues with the CPU VRMs with the high-core count chips and overclocks, but I've seen videos of people using this set-up for gaming and didn't see any reported issues there. Fingers crossed.

To be fair, mine's been fine with a 1600X for 10 months now. Can't overclock it (severe overvoltage if I do, possibly a broken board tbh), but its gaming VRM temps have been around 80-85, which is fine. I know that APUs will work the SoC VRMs much harder, but I guess if it was instant-smoke then the internet would know by now. My guess is that they'll run pretty darn warm, maybe even 100+ degrees and bleed a lot of heat to the caps around them, which will shorten their lifespan somewhat. Putting some heatsinks on those will definitely help

strumpusplunket · 28 Jun 2018 at 12:25

eddiew said:
To be fair, mine's been fine with a 1600X for 10 months now. Can't overclock it (severe overvoltage if I do, possibly a broken board tbh), but its gaming VRM temps have been around 80-85, which is fine. I know that APUs will work the SoC VRMs much harder, but I guess if it was instant-smoke then the internet would know by now. My guess is that they'll run pretty darn warm, maybe even 100+ degrees and bleed a lot of heat to the caps around them, which will shorten their lifespan somewhat. Putting some heatsinks on those will definitely help

Yeah, hope so. It's only a budget system and I'll be getting a dGPU for this PC at some future point anyway, when my youngest wants to play anything more demanding than Fortnite.

I did find one picture of an MSI B350 board with an exploded capacitor near the VRMs, so I hope nothing like that happens! :eek:

EDIT: nvme drive JUST dropped through the letterbox! Must be patient!

Illuminist · 28 Jun 2018 at 12:43

strumpusplunket said:
nvme drive JUST dropped through the letterbox! Must be patient!

Yay ! building for you

eddiew · 28 Jun 2018 at 13:49

strumpusplunket said:
EDIT: nvme drive JUST dropped through the letterbox! Must be patient!

Lol, I know the feels, new CPU just arrived and the motherboard isn't until tomorrow, but I still want to start taking things apart ¬_¬ Time is probably better invested in making sure all my bookmarks and save files are backed up, tbh. Builds go SO much faster when they don't start with "Hmm, do I need anything on the drive I'm about to format/discard?"

strumpusplunket · 28 Jun 2018 at 14:00

eddiew said:
Lol, I know the feels, new CPU just arrived and the motherboard isn't until tomorrow, but I still want to start taking things apart ¬_¬ Time is probably better invested in making sure all my bookmarks and save files are backed up, tbh. Builds go SO much faster when they don't start with "Hmm, do I need anything on the drive I'm about to format/discard?"

Oh yeah, that's a point. I should probably set some backups going before I erase my SSD...

EDIT:
Oh, actually, is there a checklist of steps to take with a new Ryzen system?

I know I'll want the Ryzen RAM calculator and a memory testing program.
Cinebench and... what else is still considered good for quick and effective stability testing these days (I'm seven years out of date on this!) - IBT? OCCT? Prime?
Any settings I'll want to enable/disable in the BIOS early on?
Do I just put the motherboard M2 slot heatsink straight over the copper-infused stickery thing on the nvme drive, or does the sticker need to stay on?

eddiew · 28 Jun 2018 at 14:51

Quick and effective stability testing probably don't go hand in hand

I still Prime mine because I'm old-school and that's what I'm used to. Once I think it's good I'll leave it running overnight. Cinebench to check that it's running as fast as it should be isn't a bad call.

And just general use for a few days. I've found if mine is not 100% stable it's as likely to randomly bluescreen while I'm drawing in Manga Studio as it is to do so during gaming. (It always turned out to be SoC volts and memory timings.) Touch wood, 20 days without a crash, I think it's good now, at stock and 3000mhz.

If there's a copper sticker on your drive (Samsung?) probably leave it - it will likely invalidate your warranty to peel it because they consider it a heat dissipator

But it's also designed for heat transfer so... eh. If the drive isn't behind a GPU, it likely doesn't need a heatsink at all.

strumpusplunket · 28 Jun 2018 at 15:07

eddiew said:
Quick and effective stability testing probably don't go hand in hand I still Prime mine because I'm old-school and that's what I'm used to. Once I think it's good I'll leave it running overnight. Cinebench to check that it's running as fast as it should be isn't a bad call.

And just general use for a few days. I've found if mine is not 100% stable it's as likely to randomly bluescreen while I'm drawing in Manga Studio as it is to do so during gaming. (It always turned out to be SoC volts and memory timings.) Touch wood, 20 days without a crash, I think it's good now, at stock and 3000mhz.

If there's a copper sticker on your drive (Samsung?) probably leave it - it will likely invalidate your warranty to peel it because they consider it a heat dissipator But it's also designed for heat transfer so... eh. If the drive isn't behind a GPU, it likely doesn't need a heatsink at all.

Ah right. I thought I'd read people talking about a fairly effective quick test - though it could have been the memory tester they were talking about now I think of it...

The M2 slot is right too the top PCIe slot, just above it. Pretty close to the GPU anyway. It's a Corsair drive, but has this copper sticker over the PCB.

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