******Official Star Citizen / Squadron 42 Thread******

[Raumarik]

All these ships that cost real money (large or small amounts) are going to be free when the full games released right ?? They aren't actually keeping this ridiculous 'pay for every ship' pricing model for the full game surely ? Its just for eager beavers who want early access to them, right ?

at release everything is free to earn, you can buy game cash with a limit each month (help put off gold farmers) and subscribe if you want daft cosmetic items which are fluff. ships etc are all attainable with the base game and even if you own ships you still need to wait for them being replaced upon destruction, theft etc it's not instant but will have a reduced time if you pony up in game money.

there will be micro transactions of some kind and expansions later but what those are exactly haven't been ironed out.

 

[Raumarik]

One of the Eurogamer comments on the latest pay-real-money-for-a-thing-that-doesn't-exist-yet sums it up for me: "This will either be the best game ever made or the best scam ever pulled."

So insightful, would you like to actually add something to the topic for once rather than floating in, spewing out a quote and disappearing for weeks/months like you usually do?

 

[Raumarik]

I just think it's daft in general tbh it's not as if you can meaningfully used them at launch due to having to prospect/research or you risk getting terrible plots. I'm not a fan of the mechanic of providing UEE protecting via this begin either.

 

[Raumarik]

why not back up your disagreement with facts or opinions of your own?

the thread is here feel free to go back and look at his previous posts. Personally I have better things to do. This is meant to be a discussion about star citizen, nothing else. If you actually read the thread you'd know I actually agree with what he's posted but would like him to actually engage with the thread rather than hit and run.

Does that somehow make me the baddie?

 

[Raumarik]

So what's everyone been buying during the anniversary sale so far?

I've added a Super Hornet and Vanguard Warden to my hanger, nice additions to my Connie Andromeda and Sabre. My hanger is beginning to look quite respectable!

Eyeing up a Freelancer variant next, not sure which one to go for though.

I understand CIG's strategy to take in more cash with the land buying sale, I'd rather wait until I've experienced the PU and can make a conscious decision on which "property" to buy for my hanger, quite like the idea of an asteroid base/hangar outside UEE space so Big Brother can't track my activities as easily.

Org doesn't seem to have changed many ships for a change. I've ditched the Glaive and BMM for a Hammerhead but the others seem to have more or less stuck with what they had. We haven't bought land claims, doubt we'll bother.

 

[Raumarik]

No we're pondering how to do it best to be honest. I'm still hoping spectrum add it so members can allow orgs to see their ships (or not) and it'll sort of tally up what the org has.

That was the original plan for Spectrum in 2014 but it never seems to progress much

There's a couple looking at potentially making a site for us to use but it feels like overkill tbh!

 

[Raumarik]

That's just accounts created which is not much at all, for example more than 2m new people tried Eve online in 2016 and Elite dangerous has actually sold around 3m copies and it's not considered to be a very active game.

I doubt there's even 750,000 actual backers. There was a rash of selling "referrals" on the grey market for the rewards etc. Crazy ********.

 

[Raumarik]

Multiple account owners (almost everyone in the grey market has at least 2), referral accounts, "backer" accounts which is basically just a new account with a $5 skin that made you a backer and let you get stretch goal rewards back in the day etc.

A lot anyway.

 

[Raumarik]

Wolfie I don't know anyone who's bought a land claim. They seem utterly pointless unless it's purely to fund the game. They aren't even usable at release unless you want to run the risk of getting utterly worthless plots of land.

I'm not a fan of it either tbh, what next? orbital licenses? "space in space" ? lol where does it end.

 

[Raumarik]

You might want to purchase a 29 quid CCU from Caterpillar to Orion, when the Orion price goes up by double or sommot you'll have a massive shiney

Massive shiny target, hope you've got friends to help you as even keeping it supplied with consumables now it's so big sounds like a mammoth task. I love it but it's so big now I'd rather wait and see if they put a middle sized miner out somewhere between the Prospector and Orion for normal sized orgs. Although nothing stopping you selling the Orion day 1 and being rich enough to replace it with several different ships potentially!

 

[Raumarik]

Just remember after go-live LTI doesn't mean it'll always be replaced They need to make sure people aren't wrecking ships only to salvage the parts and claim it back free after all!

 

[Raumarik]

Not a cult they said^ You know the proc cities tech demo was outsourced right? Btw, developing the tools and pipelines was the 2014/15 excuse so get on with times... Are you really going to boast about farming, mining, crafting and racing from point a to b that every mmo has had for 2 decades? A good chunk of the 170m has been wasted on nice tech demos and adverts with the purpose to attract more backers to answer Wolfies question. Lets not talk about their offices that look like 5 star hotels and the bloated salaries of croberts and co.

Oh come on, at least put a bit of effort in bud. Their offices are shown many times online, there's several office tours on WMH and ATV. They have production sets which are paid for out of subscriptions - not even counted in the total revenue on their site (now over $172 million) as that's literally what subscriptions are for, much like Patreon that many youtube and twitch hosts use.

CIG offices:

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Video which someone made with awful music mostly with each new office being setup:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEZIRx9BjUk

I think you've been getting overcharged for "5 star" accommodation mate. These are simply modern offices. All they do is stick some pictures up and some stickers on glass.. Much of that hung on walls is concept art they made themselves.

and we're back at the old "tech demo" nonsense. If 3.0 is a tech demo I'd love to know what you think most AAA games are since most are re-skinned copies of the previous one with additional DLC.

 

[Raumarik]

let new put it this way every time you lose an argument you swap topic.

how are those offices? gold taps? champagne in the desks?

this is the same recycled stuff you used a few weeks ago and I'm pretty sure I agreed with most of it then too. they need to get their finger out but let's face it they are a business and the only reason they don't have a publisher breathing down their neck is because they are good at milking the cash cow of backers. they don't show things prematurely, they show it as early as they can get away with..

 

[Raumarik]

No offence but I've no idea who you are and what we talked about a few weeks ago. You might be taking this too seriously. I read tons of stuff every day and once in a while I reply when I see something that interests me without keeping names, times etc. Most of the time I don't even quote people. In the videos I've seen Roberts things did look a bit extravagant. I was talking about the leadership not the average programmer.

you can see Chris Roberts office in most of the videos he's in as the 10 for the chairman episodes were shot in there. It's also featured in the very first around the verse.

 

[Raumarik]

Is anyone playing 3.0?

I am finding I have a connection error or the lag/cpu spikes are making it un-testable for me unfortunately.

It should improve as they're throwing out patches quite quickly now. It's not as playable as it was in Evocati but some of the stuff we had in that apparently caused problems elsewhere so they are working to resolve those.

 

[Raumarik]

^^ Insightful guys. Thanks for the convo.

 

[Raumarik]

^^Clearly they are optimising for the Optane

 

[Raumarik]

It's not out, it's in alpha. I don't even see it moving to beta before 2020.

You can technically play a demo of it during free-flight periods for free, but if you want to take part in the testing regularly then you have to buy in so it's essentially a paid-closed alpha test presently. Let's not sugar coat it, that's all it is.

Also here's my latest ridiculously long video on part of 2014 developments/shows:

 

[Raumarik]

16GB will be fine, it's a bug that's cropped up and they'll sort it at some point.

 

[Raumarik]

3.0 t be released before xmas?

Honestly really doubt it, it needs a lot of work but they rushed it out of Evocati for the anniversary sashes so you never know..