PC and Console fan boys, Whats the deal ?

iamtheoneneo said:
I think its probably more to do with the fact that these new consoles were hyped up no end - 4k, 60fps etc etc.. and what you have are two systems barely able to push 1080p let alone a stable 60fps.

A pc of equal worth can pull much better numbers as has been proven in multiple articles , so they cant even use the 'but pcs cost 10x more argument anymore' EVEN more so when the new GPU chipsets are giving ridiculous results for low cost.

generally console owners have been shafted and putting their anger onto the pc market. I know this gen took nearly 10 years to get to for console games - but I actually think they ended up rushing these consoles out big time, they are not refined at all, especially the UIs and really lacking in actual grunt.
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The consoles weren't hyped up like that. Where've you got that from?

Additionally, a PC of equal worth just isn't pulling much better numbers at all.

Also the new consoles have quite a lot more raw power than the ones they replaced.

Talk about complete ignorance.
 
wingman said:
Don't be an arse.

Of course I don't disagree. It's an element where the PC obviously surpasses the console.

One day I'd like to have a small desktop gaming PC in the living room hooked up to an Xbox One controller to enjoy the best of both worlds but there are a few issues, such as games like Forza, The Last of Us, Final Fantasy, Super Mario, Zelda et al that do not appear on the PC.

It's all a compromise. I personally prefer buying a system for £x amount and knowing for the next 7 years it'll play any game you throw at it from that platform.

But the idea of having a PC as a gaming rig is also very appealing. My spare coins are just simply not spent that way.

I still go back to the point that the little digs that are thrown back and forth are what spark debates. Both sides are as bad as each other.
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I think what sparks the debate is often poorly informed and ignorant people.

If anything the whole debate just further reinforces the cornerstone of gaming, and that is personal choice. I prefer to play FPS games. Does that mean they are better than RPG games? For me yes. For the next person? Maybe not.

But if we were to compare Doom and Crysis on a technical level, which would we say is more advanced? The key point here is that more advanced does not always mean better as I highlighted in my F1 car example. Horses for courses and all that malarky. But personally I prefer to play Doom, believe it or not :p

Consoles do a great job for the money. Nobody with half a brain can deny that. I think what annoys me though is being called a PC fanboi for simply recognising a gaming PC is superior on a technical level. It is irrelevant how much it costs to build a gaming PC. The facts are simple numbers and demonstrable all day long. Recognising them does not make me elitist. It just means I can look at something objectively.

Subjectively I prefer PC gaming as it suits my needs and my personal preference for FPS titles. I can't stand playing on a pad, and it is only in the last few years I actually got a decent HD TV. But I also love playing Lego games on my xbox with my wife over Christmas. I also love split screen racing on Forza with my friend after a few beers and shouting at the TV at how bad beijing olympics is when we are trying to do the shooting competetion at 4AM after a crate of beer! :p

Like I said, horses for courses et al.
 
I've owned all of the 'last-gen' and 'current-gen' consoles and I have my gaming PC.

I love them all equally and I don't compare them to each other. Each platform has its strengths and weaknesses.

I mostly get games on the PC but that's mostly because I can get them at half the cost of the PS4/Xbox and I'll get it on the PC if it's a game that I want to see in all it's glory.

The consoles are there for exclusives and they get plenty of use.
 
BuffetSlayer said:
It is irrelevant how much it costs to build a gaming PC. The facts are simple numbers and demonstrable all day long. Recognising them does not make me elitist. It just means I can look at something objectively.
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Why is it irrelevant how much it costs? This just comes across as ignorant, like I asked earlier in the thread, and so far it hasn't got a response, if you were to build a £349.99 PC (without a monitor) and including an OS then it's not going to outperform a PS4 in games.

It is totally relevant to discuss the price. It's ignorant to claim otherwise.
 
Casdawer said:
I've owned all of the 'last-gen' and 'current-gen' consoles and I have my gaming PC.

I love them all equally and I don't compare them to each other. Each platform has its strengths and weaknesses.

I mostly get games on the PC but that's mostly because I can get them at half the cost of the PS4/Xbox and I'll get it on the PC if it's a game that I want to see in all it's glory.

The consoles are there for exclusives and they get plenty of use.
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Perfect post, 100% same for me
 
anticonscience said:
Why is it irrelevant how much it costs? This just comes across as ignorant, like I asked earlier in the thread, and so far it hasn't got a response, if you were to build a £349.99 PC (without a monitor) and including an OS then it's not going to outperform a PS4 in games.

It is totally relevant to discuss the price. It's ignorant to claim otherwise.
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On a technical level price is irrelevant. On a practical level of course it's the most relevant point there is. Hence the arguments :(
 
This is the dullest debate ever. So it ever was and so it always shall be. We all know that console gamers and knuckle dragging mouth breathers who need a quick start guide to plug in an hdmi cable, so let's just leave it there.
 
anticonscience said:
Always makes me chuckle when people now say they are technically inferior to a gaming PC, well yes, a £350 console is not going to match the performance of a £1,500 PC, just like a Toyota Yaris is not going to match a Bugatti for performance.

It's the people who totally dismiss consoles I am amazed by, they've had some of the best games ever created, yet because they are on a console they are instantly dismissed.
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I have always said consoles are great for the money. But if I am fortunate to be able to spend a lot of money on a gaming PC why shouldn't I recognise it is better specced than a console? The fact it cost 5 times the money is irrelevant. The truth is it is more powerful. That cannot be escaped. Is it better for gaming? For me yes because that is the medium I prefer based on my interests and preferences. For you? Probably not. But when console users try to make out their equipment is in any way on a par with a PC gaming rig that is where I take issue. It is simply incorrect.

I say that as a gaming fan. I have owned consoles along with a gaming PC all my life. I have even bought consoles for specific games and thoroughly enjoyed them. There are some cracking console games, and one of my favourites were the Resi games on GameCube. I also love the Lego games on the 360. I prefer racing games on consoles because I think the input is better on a pad and I don't want to fork out for a wheel for a genre of game that I do not play often. One of my all time favourite games is Fight Night Round 2 on the Xbox. Cracking boxing game imo :) But my main interest is competetive FPS gaming (along with awesome single player FPS games like System Shock 2). For what I like to play and how I like to play, a PC is just better. If I was a racing fanatic, I would most likely have a proper racing chair, wheel and pedals and use a console. But I am not, so I don't :)

Like I have always said in this type of discussion, if we are all enjoying gaming that is the main thing. But please lets not start flaming people for recognising simple truth about the technical performance of a PC vs console.
 
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BuffetSlayer said:
I have always said consoles are great for the money. But if I am fortunate to be able to spend a lot of money on a gaming PC why shouldn't I recognise it is better specced than a console? The fact it cost 5 times the money is irrelevant. The truth is it is more powerful. That cannot be escaped. Is it better for gaming? For me yes because that is the medium I prefer based on my interests and preferences. For you? Probably not. But when console users try to make out their equipment is in any way on a par with a PC gaming rig that is where I take issue. It is simply incorrect.
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This is just utterly retarded. How can you not see comparing something that costs £350 against something that costs twice, three, four times as much is not even comparable.....I'm not arguing it's not more powerful, it is, but the fact is the price is very relevant, you seem to not want to accept/understand that for some reason.

I fully understand a gaming PC is much better, that's to be expected when it's like three times the price, but a £350 PC is not going to be better specced than a console, if it is prove me wrong, build one on OcUK with components that will out perform the PS4.

Who is it starting a flaming war? I'm just asking questions, I am not slinging insults around, or is flaming like trolling and because we're having a discussion and not seeing eye to eye it's a flame war/I'm a troll? Why can't people have reasoned debates anymore?
 
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It seems fairly clear to me...

Console vs PC from a technical gaming capability point of view:
PC wins.

Console vs PC from a gaming performance/£ point of view:
console wins.

I don't think anyone is denying you get good gaming performance from a £350 console compared to an equivalent priced PC. The point being made is that for gaming performance on a budget the console is the better option. For those who want the absolute best gaming experience, PC.

Now, find a £1500 console and compare that to a £1500 PC :p
 
anticonscience said:
This is just utterly retarded. How can you not see comparing something that costs £350 against something that costs twice, three, four times as much is not even comparable.....I'm not arguing it's not more powerful, it is, but the fact is the price is very relevant, you seem to not want to accept/understand that for some reason.

I fully understand a gaming PC is much better, that's to be expected when it's like three times the price, but a £350 PC is not going to be better specced than a console, if it is prove me wrong, build one on OcUK with components that will out perform the PS4.

Who is starting a flaming war? I'm just asking questions, I am not slinging insults around, or is flaming like trolling and because we're having a discussion and not seeing eye to eye it's a flame war/I'm a troll? Why can;t people have reasoned debates anymore?
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Oh I see what you are getting at. Sorry.

Yeah for the money a next gen console is likely better than the same kind of PC you could build for the same money, and that is why I have always said that bang for buck consoles are awesome.

That said, when talking about pure performance my PC will out perfrom a console. I know it cost a lot more but it was my choice to spend the money, just like it is your choice not to. Which of our choices was correct? Again it is personal preference. The truth is the majority of PC gamers own a PC that is technically superior to a console. Of course they cost more but that does not change the end result of them being technically superior.

But yes, you are correct that bang for buck a console is probably going to be better than the same kind of PC at £350. However, it isnt far off as even 3 gens ago the PC tech available was matching the console spec. The only reason consoles can even compete is mass production.

EDIT - I have seen a couple of articles where a PC can be buit to a similar spec to a PS4 for roughly the same money. But I personally doubt it would perform as well given the PC variant of any given game would be optimised for higher end specifications (and given BF4 is poorly optimised to start with).

But I do know of a way to buy a PC with the same performance as a PS4 for the same money. Buy a PS4! In reality it is a PC. Same architecture, same technology. :p
 
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Robbo said:
How many console owners have a 4k TV at the moment? Less than 1% I bet? Would a lack of 4k suddenly make console exclusives less good? Doubtful.

I doubt most people would be bothered by relatively minor fps differences either.
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Probably less than 1% if a chap can't afford a gaming pc i doubt he has a 4k tv.
 
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