I guess the bird was moving slowly and the plane at 0.61. As an example if you have a pencil pinched in the middle between finger and thumb which represents the bird and one end of the pencil is the plane and the other the sea. As you turn the pencil both ends cover a larger distance compared to the centre point (bird) which makes the sea from the planes view, when locked on to the bird, look like it is rushing past. So the object looks like it is moving fast, where actually it is covering less distance. That is my take on it anyway if it were a bird, but who knows.
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I'm pretty sure the F-18's tracking radar wouldn't work like that, I'm sure it would be calculating the actual airspeed of it's target. Also we can see the object is moving at approx 200m per second based on the visuals which is explained in that debunking video, which is around 450mph (around mach 0.6 I guess?). Birds don't travel that fast. Also, why would experienced Navy pilots be locking onto birds and spending their time doing that? None of that explanation makes any sense.
What you are saying seems to be at odds with the facts. If they are not taking UAP's seriously then why did the DIA build specialized facilities where they store and study recovered UAP material and do in-depth scientific analysis. I would say that's taking things pretty seriously and with a high level of interested. The DIA have said UAP's are real and they have recovered material most of which is still classified. Some of which they have made public. That seems to be more to me then just media and conspiracy theorists.
Man of Honour
Where is this facility, where are the artifacts, where is the proof?
Man of Honour
About the last 5 episodes are compilations and they still make me wonder, not that it's anything to do with Aliens but the wonder of our species and the stuff they came up with and built.
Going to copy an older post of mine from another thread with a few minor typo corrections.
“While I am convinced UFO's are real I am not convinced any of them are alien.
The best evidence I have seen so far which I have not looked into this great detail is the Department of Defence recovered some material from a crashed UAP/UFO. This material was stored and examined in scientific detail by the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program which is a real Task Force setup and their defence contractor (Bigelow Aerospace) again appears to check out.
Bigelow Aerospace apparently was contracted to construct "specialized modified facilities" to hold the material for testing.
A FIOA request with legal backing was put in for all data hold on the metal like alloy recovered from the UAP/UFO.
https://www.ufoexplorations.com/_files/ugd/aa4aac_c53f66ccc2f745908c6b639c1042977e.pdf
Now given the source website this needs to be heavily questioned. From what I can tell the story checks out with Bigelow Aerospace, the FIOA is real and the 150+ pages released by the DIA on technical reports on exotic functional materials related to the recovered material from the crashed UAP/UFO seems to be real.
https://www.ufoexplorations.com/_files/ugd/aa4aac_5bdf81c740e6460d93f26ef3416f8043.pdf
https://www.ufoexplorations.com/_files/ugd/aa4aac_edcaa44c39b84a80b55a7d199325ab32.pdf
https://www.ufoexplorations.com/_files/ugd/aa4aac_da17103a61a047859a97a85588d63eb0.pdf
https://www.ufoexplorations.com/_files/ugd/aa4aac_4b1d0bacf5bc4db0922c82b4fad3d132.pdf
https://www.ufoexplorations.com/_files/ugd/aa4aac_e69847bdf5814f43b69d49e2962a17d8.pdf
It does make interesting reading and it does appear at a glance to be real. The FOIA request, the DIA response all seem to be fact checked as correct. Same for the Bigelow Aerospace side of the story. Sometimes these stories don’t appear to be what they are when you dig into them into detail. Which is why I would say question this heavily given the source website.”
Combined with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSDweUbGBow and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1hNYs55sqs seem to prove that UAP/UFO are real and physical objects.
I have looked into above more since my older post and so far have not managed to debunk it. This doesn't prove aliens but it does point to UAP/UFO being real physical objects with advanced tech and advanced exotic functional materials.
Man of Honour
I have no problem that the FOI's are real, we've had many in our hospital demanding proof of Covid but we take no notice of them because it's pointless responding.
To me it's still somebody talking about miracles in The Bible and somebody believing them, there is nothing there.
I really hope I'm wrong because I watch so much UFO related stuff I want to believe but give me something concrete.
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Sorry are we meant to believe that is a UFO?
Was it taken by the same guys that brought us the Nessie photos?
Would be very interesting if it was true though.
Was it taken by the same guys that brought us the Nessie photos?
Would be very interesting if it was true though.
How is what I provided not concreate? There was a FOIA for data on material recovered from UAP/UFOs. The DIA then released over 150 pages of in-depth scientific analysis about the UFO/UAP material recovered that they had been studying at a specialized military facility.
These are reports by the facility scientists like Dr. James Lacatski who studied the recovered material from the UAP/UFOs.
This proves that there are military facilities studying UAP/UFOs with scientists doing in death scientific analysis of the material they have recovered from UAP/UFOs. Bigelow Aerospace is a real "specialized modified facility" that holds material for testing. This seems pretty concrete to me.
Associate
sure I'll bite.
- The camera inside a plane moving at mach 0.61 is zoomed in on
- a bird (a long way away) moving at mach 0.01
- the background in the shot is moving at the same speed as the camera
The F-18 is tracking the speed of the object which is clearly moving, did you even watch the video before replying? Also the context is these are fighter pilots tracking an unknown object, they aren't trying to con people into believing in UFO's, you don't think they've seen birds before?
Soldato
Since the AATIP only lasted 5 years and has been dead for 10 years now, how is that not a clear sign there was nothing of concern?
Those FOIA response articles are just considerations of known materials used in other applications being applied to military applications The one on Biomaterials is interesting because the company I work for makes several of the cited medical devices using the materials suggested so in that specific case Im happy to say there is nothing mystifying about them.
Associate
No
I guess this is part of the problem with photographic evidence, if the photo is too blurry or indistinct people say "what potato did you use to take this?" "Why is every photo so unclear" etc... if the photo is too clear people say "thats clearly photoshopped" "too clear to be real" etc.
I'm not sure really what photographic evidence could be accepted as actual proof or what would be required within the photo for it to be deemed valid.
At this point, I think the only way these things could be proved would be if dozens of them appeared over cities all round the world one day, in front of millions of peoples eyes ( V-like if you like) , I dont think any photo/s or video/s will be accepted as proof enough
Soldato
Doesnt matter that much about what science thinks imo.
Science theory is not fact, and theories change often.
Too many scientists come out with the line "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".
Then they throw the book at the claims and try to disprove it just for the sake of disproving because it seems so far fetched.
And any claims should require evidence not 'extraordinary evidence '.
This is not rational or scientific it's driven by an agenda where anything about alien life is seen as wacky and the dimension of the lunatics.
It's by definition a UFO unless we have evidence to suggest the guy faked the photo
i don't get it - all that is is a few review papers. There's nothing special there.
You are making a strawman to conclude the old "science doesn't know everything" trope.
- Look up what science theory is because from what you just posted you clearly have no idea.
- Science theory does not provide the facts, it tests the facts and gives a logical explanation for why they happen in the natural world. For example it is a fact that if you drop an apple, it will fall to the ground. The theory of gravity in itself is not the fact, it is the explanation of why it is 100% always a fact the dropped apple will fall.
- If we apply the same scientific principle to UFOs/UAPs, then science has no accepted theory because there is no actual tangible evidence to test (see point 2)
- So science is not saying this is BS, it is saying we need testable evidence and until we have it we have to be sceptical.
The problem is that UFO does not = alien spaceship. I know far too many people who want it to be aliens, so it is aliens.