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May isn't a brilliant politician, but she'd at least have a firm hand on the tiller as we sail through choppy waters.

What are you basing that on? She's too weak to debate Corbyn, she's too weak to stand up to Trump and she's been forced into a series of embarassing U-turns during the election campaign.

Love or loathe Corbyn, he's at least shown some conviction.
 
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I know this has been picked up in a few news outlets and the Tories are shouting from the rooftops about it. This is a huge red flag to me.


Land value tax = lube up?

The data on it at the moment is all over the place and quite vague but some potential issues with people using it to force people to sell their land was highlighted in another thread also the fact that the levels mooted seem to be just initial levels for a much higher amount pushed through later once the system has been accepted and in place.

Corbyn seems intent in the long run in dragging everyone that has done half ok for themselves down in some hybrid form of something socialism like and by extension dragging society down as a whole as propping up those going nowhere in less fortunate position while dragging down those who are going somewhere who've been fortunate doesn't accomplish anything.

This has been discussed at length in this thread already. People with higher value land would pay more but people who rent or have low-value houses would pay less. THis is the system used in Denmark and it works well.

I don't know what the actual numbers are going to be yet but the ones being discussed can work out pretty hideous - for instance where I live people in terraced housing on one side of the road pay about 15% less in council tax than those in the detached and semi-detached on the other side of the road (which is pretty fair) - after these changes most of those on the terraced side will pay half what they do now in council tax while those on the other side will be paying between 2.5x and 4x what they do now.
 
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What are you basing that on? She's too weak to debate Corbyn, she's too weak to stand up to Trump and she's been forced into a series of embarassing U-turns during the election campaign.

Love or loathe Corbyn, he's at least shown some conviction.
Honestly don't know how people are still hanging on to the 'strong and stable' may image. Seriously lacking critical reasoning, I suspect.
 
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It's been mentioned a few times, it's only a review, and it seems unless you have several acres it might end up cheaper than the council tax for a lot of people.
This has been discussed at length in this thread already. People with higher value land would pay more but people who rent or have low-value houses would pay less. THis is the system used in Denmark and it works well.

The data on it at the moment is all over the place and quite vague but some potential issues with people using it to force people to sell their land was highlighted in another thread also the fact that the levels mooted seem to be just initial levels for a much higher amount pushed through later once the system has been accepted and in place.

Corbyn seems intent in the long run in dragging everyone that has done half ok for themselves down in some hybrid form of something socialism like and by extension dragging society down as a whole as propping up those going nowhere in less fortunate position while dragging down those who are going somewhere who've been fortunate doesn't accomplish anything.

I don't know what the actual numbers are going to be yet but the ones being discussed can work out pretty hideous - for instance where I live people in terraced housing on one side of the road pay about 15% less in council tax than those in the detached and semi-detached on the other side of the road (which is pretty fair) - after these changes most of those on the terraced side will pay half what they do now in council tax while those on the other side will be paying between 2.5x and 4x what they do now.

Interesting, thanks.
 
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The data on it at the moment is all over the place and quite vague but some potential issues with people using it to force people to sell their land was highlighted in another thread also the fact that the levels mooted seem to be just initial levels for a much higher amount pushed through later once the system has been accepted and in place.

Corbyn seems intent in the long run in dragging everyone that has done half ok for themselves down in some hybrid form of something socialism like and by extension dragging society down as a whole as propping up those going nowhere in less fortunate position while dragging down those who are going somewhere who've been fortunate doesn't accomplish anything.



I don't know what the actual numbers are going to be yet but the ones being discussed can work out pretty hideous - for instance where I live people in terraced housing on one side of the road pay about 15% less in council tax than those in the detached and semi-detached on the other side of the road - after these changes most of those on the terraced side will pay half what they do now in council tax while those on the other side will be paying between 2.5x and 4x what they do now.

I agree that it will need some work, but then its only an idea for review. It works really well abroad as stated and its intention is to reduce the amount of companies hoarding land in land banks. Working in the construction industry one of the issues (amongst others) is that smaller developers find it very difficult to find land as its being sat on by the nationals or fund managers.

I do think though that in its current proposal its a bit loose which leads people to be focusing on how it will impact the individual.
 
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Not the right sort of development - it would increase the number of houses built with tiny tiny gardens.
Who are you to say what the 'right sort of development' is?

For most, struggling to buy a house, or even rent one, almost any four walls will do. The 'right sort of development' is based on price and necessity, rather than a relative luxury like a big garden.
 
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Why do people keep say May is a firm hand(strong and stable). Hasn't demonstrated that so far at all, completely the opposite. Its just an excuse to peddle kipper views.

Most of the Europeans I know, a fair few, think we are mad, they are laughing at us.
 
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Who are you to say what the 'right sort of development' is?

For most, struggling to buy a house, or even rent one, almost any four walls will do. The 'right sort of development' is based on price and necessity, rather than a relative luxury like a big garden.

You really want your children and your children's children growing up in increasingly more of a concrete jungle? there might be limits to what we can do but we can atleast strive towards a bit better quality of life rather than just dismally accept a collapse of it.
 
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You really want your children and your children's children growing up in increasingly more of a concrete jungle? there might be limits to what we can do but we can atleast strive towards a bit better quality of life rather than just dismally accept a collapse of it.
Without actually building houses - any houses - how does your 'dream' for a better life for our children actually hold up?

I lived in a small terraced house with a small garden when my son was born (until he was ~2) and it was fine for family life. I now live in a house with a big garden (approx 150ft) and that's great - but not realistic when most of the country lives in cities.
 
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Without actually building houses - any houses - how does your 'dream' for a better life for our children actually hold up?

I lived in a small terraced house with a small garden when my son was born (until he was ~2) and it was fine for family life. I now live in a house with a big garden (approx 150ft) and that's great - but not realistic when most of the country lives in cities.

Forcing the redevelopment of bigger properties in the way this potentially could though is going to make land that is very hard to build multiple dwellings on that doesn't either result in something tower block like vertical or poxy little dwellings with a sliver of "garden". We need to be building but not in this way.
 
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May isn't a brilliant politician, but she'd at least have a firm hand on the tiller as we sail through choppy waters. Corbyn and Abbott would sell this country down the river, they can't even do what is best for their own political party, never mind the country. If their own MPs can't even support them then why would I? Comrade Corbyn and love-ins with the IRA and Hamas and Abbott on Channel 4 being quoted as saying 'every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us' makes me wonder how anyone can vote for them. They'll of course lie and say they don't hold these views anymore, but that is only to get what they want.

This ^^ May is really my only option - Corbyn and gangs personal baggage around the IRA mean I couldn't vote for him - ever
 
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Density is a planning policy issue, land tax wont create smaller plots unless policy is changed along with it.
One of the recent developments 5 mins from me, on a brownfield site, has terraces of properties that have no garden at all. They back on to each other. There is no need for rear access to the property as there is no rear garden. So effectively what you have is two rows of terraced houses joined to each other.

Instead of
x_;;_x
x_;;_x
x_;;_x

where x is a house, ;; is an access lane to the rear of the property, and _ is a garden. What they've built here is

xx
xx
xx

And either side of the houses is a public road. Don't even have garages. Parking on street only.

We all said when they were built, "who wants to live in a concrete jungle like this? No front garden, no rear garden, no space for kids to play, all the houses backed on to each other..."

But I bet the developer made a killing :p
 
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This ^^ May is really my only option - Corbyn and gangs personal baggage around the IRA mean I couldn't vote for him - ever

You believe that because that is what the press is telling you to believe. Look into his "personal baggage" around the IRA and it amounts to nothing. He's a pacifist so thinks that bombing each other isn't the answer. He maintains he had no contact with the IRA but met with Sinn Fein which it transpires was exactly what the government at the time was also doing, they just did it in secret.
 
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