Poll: Poll: UK General Election 2017 - Mk II

Who will you vote for?

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ebilcake said:
UK debt has increased under Conservative, austerity isn't working.
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Of course it has, that's what happens when you inherit a huge deficit.

I guess it depends on what you classify as 'not working', the deficit has reduced drastically under the Tories.
 
The NHS right... apparently this "Naylor report", which the Tories have promised to enact, calls for:

Trusts to sell expensive-to-maintain buildings, such as older hospitals, and expensive-to-run systems, like IT, in order to qualify for government funding.

This seems like privatisation by stealth. Start with the very buildings themselves (and the equipment), then in a couple years time, say to the electorate, "Look, nothing bad happened when we sold off the buildings and the IT, why don't we try going the whole hog?"
 
mid_gen said:
Doesn't matter either way, Theresa May's security services just let them carry on and attack people anyway.
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And Corbyns left wing feelings manifesto will protect those wanting to kill you..

How can you even argue that either is better for safety?
 
terley said:
And Corbyns left wing feelings manifesto will protect those wanting to kill you..

How can you even argue that either is better for safety?
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It's pretty easy to argue that Theresa May is a proven failure when it comes to ensuring the safety and security of British citizens.
 
mid_gen said:
Doesn't matter either way, Theresa May's security services just let them carry on and attack people anyway.
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What makes you think Corbyn would be better specifically in that regard? For example these are his views on ISIS supporters returning:

https://order-order.com

Jeremy Corbyn spoke in defence of fighters returning from Syria and argued people who express support for ISIS should not be prosecuted. In a 2014 parliamentary debate, Corbyn told the Commons the UK should not make “value judgments” about fighters returning from Syria and questioned the “legal obstacles” facing ISIS fighters arriving back in Britain:

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Asked if ISIS fighters returning to Britain should face action, Corbyn said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted for “expressing a political point of view”:

“I have no support for ISIS whatsoever, and obviously [measures] should apply to someone who has committed crimes, but we should bear in mind that expressing a political point of view is not in itself an offence. The commission of a criminal act is clearly a different matter, but expressing a point of view, even an unpalatable one, is sometimes quite important in a democracy. We should be slightly cautious about announcing that we will start to deal with people on the basis of a general view that they have expressed. We should think seriously about where our foreign policy has brought us, and what our legislative position now is.”

Would Jeremy Corbyn have made a “value judgement” about Salman Abedi when he returned from Syria and Libya? Would he have opposed “legal obstacles” to him returning to Britain? Does Corbyn really believe people expressing support for ISIS should not face measures from the government? These words are horrendous for Corbyn in the context of the last few weeks…
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lowrider007 said:
If they win again are they/people still going to be blaming labour another 5 years down the line? It's getting boring now, how many years does it take for them to take responsibility for being in power.
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I've been wondering this for years. I mean
.. The tories have been In power for 8 years now.... And if they win will be 12 / 13 years.

How they keep getting away with blaming everything on labour / the EU I dont know. Obviously I dont expect them to bad mouth their own party... But how long do they expect people to swallow the 'dont blame us... Its them" crap. They will have to take some responsibility at some point.

Id have more respect for a party if they said.... Our bad... We need to rethink things. This is why I admire corbyn. Even in his own party he knew what Blair did with Iraq and the war was wrong.
 
Just watching Ruth Davidson introduce Theresa May at a Scottish Conservatives press conference. "They don't want a strong woman to lead this country".

Oh dear god. Are we really going there?

The PM is also doing a fantastic job of lying about police funding (assuming figures being touted elsewhere in the media are correct).
 
McBain said:
Of course it has, that's what happens when you inherit a huge deficit.

I guess it depends on what you classify as 'not working', the deficit has reduced drastically under the Tories.
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Always easier to blame the previous party in power, that's conservative brainwashing for you.
 
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