Poll: Poll: UK General Election 2017 - Mk II

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I watched the debate. I just can't bring myself to vote for may. I hate her manifesto.

I can't vote labour, I just don't think the money is there and I don't think corporation tax raising is clever. I don't know if it would push companies abroad but I think it's dangerous.

No way am I voting ukip. Although at least the guy is straight talker. A couple of his policies make sense. But his ethics are disgusting.

Ideally I'd vote one of the main two but I just can't.

One thing I don't agree with is scraping tuition fees, reduce its fine, but not scrap. We don't want everyone going. And those that don't should not have to subsidise those who do completely.

Other than that I'm basically agreeing with all the green and most of the liberal policies.

The snp speaker is so good. It's a shame Tim farron spent so much time bitching at may. I think Caroline lucas was awesome speaker.
 
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As many a Leave voter has pointed out in the past, that's not true.

There's a difference between being a member of the single market, and having access to the single market. Plenty of nations have access to the single market, without being members of it. The Labour Manifesto simply calls for retaining the benefits of the single market and the customs union.

...it's lucky we'll never find out what shambolic deal they could be allowed.
 
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Weird, I seem to remember the economy growing when the Tories had it at 28%. Labour are putting it back to 26%.

We weren't leaving the EU then, were about to enter a new era where initially its not hard to imagine that business could be tough for a number of years whilst business and the economy need to adjust to new challenges to find new export markets.
 
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...it's lucky we'll never find out what shambolic deal they could be allowed.

Why? It's the same deal that May will be playing for. It's the deal that Britain needs. The only difference between the two parties is that Corbyn is saying he will get that deal, while May is already talking about failing.

The only way we'll never find out is if May wins the election and then goes on to **** up the negotiations with the EU.
 
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I watched the debate. I just can't bring myself to vote for may. I hate her manifesto.

I can't vote labour, I just don't think the money is there and I don't think corporation tax raising is clever. I don't know if it would push companies abroad but I think it's dangerous.

No way am I voting ukip. Although at least the guy is straight talker. A couple of his policies make sense. But his ethics are disgusting.

Ideally I'd vote one of the main two but I just can't.

One thing I don't agree with is scraping tuition fees, reduce its fine, but not scrap. We don't want everyone going. And those that don't should not have to subsidise those who do completely.

Other than that I'm basically agreeing with all the green and most of the liberal policies.

The snp speaker is so good. It's a shame Tim farron spent so much time bitching at may. I think Caroline lucas was awesome speaker.
Agree with pretty much all of this. Lucas was awesome. I voted green last time.

I do generally agree with the principle focussed manifesto of the greens - which is definitely more evidenced with the labour manifesto this time around... we have principles and we will achieve them. It's foolish not to consider the economy but I don't think it's wrong to decide issues that HAVE to be addressed as the starting point.
 
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I think the only way to get a decent Brexit is keeping the Tories true to tackling immigration through having a points style system in place rather than continuing with a chaotic non system of having any kind of control over that coming from the EU. I'd rather the Tories had to rely on UKIP to make up the numbers to get things through parliament rather than any of the rest of the parties that basically have a socialist view on Brexit which is pulling in the opposite direction to staying true to the Brexit vote of leave and what that stood for.
 
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The snp speaker is so good. It's a shame Tim farron spent so much time bitching at may. I think Caroline lucas was awesome speaker.

I quite like Angus Robertson and to many he's less "marmite" than Sturgeon, I'll be voting SNP but if it wasn't for the Independence dimension and if I thought they could actually win in my constituency I'd seriously be thinking about voting for Labour though.
 
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Why? It's the same deal that May will be playing for. It's the deal that Britain needs. The only difference between the two parties is that Corbyn is saying he will get that deal, while May is already talking about failing.

Corbyn will roll over and beg for scraps.
 
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How long has there been a housing crisis? It's not just the last 5 years, add in free movement at the start of 00's, add in the recession, then you can suddenly see why we have a supply & demand issue.

Cmon, are you really going to just glaze over the fact that you couldn't read the graph?

Please explain why free movement has ANY effect on the graph i posted. Try to do it without looking silly for some bonus points
 
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May really has shot herself in the foot.


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That's ironic considering May's position regaurding not taking part in the debates hasen't changed at all throughout the campaign. I think their is defineatly a bias going on in here. As from what I can see their isn't much difference between the two.

I don't think there is much difference except in Corbyn being honest about the necessities of compromise and going in shouting about "give us what we want or get out" being a bad start. The realities of the negotiations aren't going to change based on who we elect, but May is trying to pretend somehow she will boss the rest of Europe around. The difference lies chiefly in the honesty or lack of, imo. There are some differences in how the two are perceived abroad - for example, Le Monde refers to Theresa May as "The Friend of Trump" - but I have no idea how much that difference in perception filters down into actual negotiating stances. Not at all, I hope!
 
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The difference lies chiefly in the honesty or lack of, imo. There are some differences in how the two are perceived abroad - for example, Le Monde refers to Theresa May as "The Friend of Trump" - but I have no idea how much that difference in perception filters down into actual negotiating stances. Not at all, I hope!

Better the 'friend of trump' than the 'friend of multiple vile terrorist organisations'...

The fact there is even a debate about the extent of Corbyn connections to the ira, Hamas etc is ample proof he is not fit to govern this country.
 
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