Potentially kicking off in Russia

Haha, jesus man I think its time you had a break from the internet as you are seriously deluded.

Extreme left state when we have a tory government with Boris at the helm :cry:

Maybe he's talking about immigration, which also doesn't make much sense since Brexit happened. It may be something to do with the growing numbers of foreign nationals, I don't know. But this doesn't mean they hate us because they're here? In fact many of them love it here and have to put in a lot of work in order to get citizenship.

It could be a case of a few bad apples... no idea.
 
I noticed on GBNews interviewing the Russian ambassador. He had a lot to say about supposedly a British ship entering Crimean waters. But nothing said about the Russian jets flying in to UK air space.
 
Weird how there's so many people presumably from the UK and posting on a UK forum who want to denigrate their own country, the absolute state of what seems like half of the population these days.

Criticism and introspection of evidently **** policy is not denigration.
 
I noticed on GBNews interviewing the Russian ambassador. He had a lot to say about supposedly a British ship entering Crimean waters. But nothing said about the Russian jets flying in to UK air space.
all countries do it though, they do the russian bombers trick to america too
 
I noticed on GBNews interviewing the Russian ambassador. He had a lot to say about supposedly a British ship entering Crimean waters. But nothing said about the Russian jets flying in to UK air space.

Probably because they are not violating the UK airspace.

This topic had been explained to death everywhere so you can do your own research but the gist of it is that most intercepts happen in ADIZ and in no way breach national airspace. I do not recall the Russians breaching the UK airspace, we have enough planes to intercept them before they come anywhere near it as they are flagged immediately after entering ADIZ.

EDIT: if it is not completely clear, nation's ADIZ is still international airspace and everybody has the right to fly there.
 
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I noticed on GBNews interviewing the Russian ambassador. He had a lot to say about supposedly a British ship entering Crimean waters. But nothing said about the Russian jets flying in to UK air space.

Also HSM Defender did enter Crimean's territorial waters, MoD did not deny it. MoD stated that these waters are Ukrainian hence Russia opinion on the matter is irrelevant.
 
what do you expect when we have clowns in power for about 20+ years

Ok.

you still think where a global super power? people saying oh russia might have thousands of jets but how many are operational.

Didn't say we were a global super power, you've invented a position for me then attacked it, this is called a "straw man argument".


they only need a small fraction to outnumber the UK.

Is that how it works, is 1 Typhoon equivalent to 1 SU-24? You realise the F-15 has over 100 air-to-air kills with 0 losses, but you'd presumably say an F-15 is worth the equivalent of 1 of it's opponents planes? Try to understand that numbers don't mean very much if you can shoot down a plane from 120 miles away when the enemy plane only has missiles with a 40 mile range.

like russia has what 44 nuclear subs? 24 electric?
only 24 of the nuclear subs were operational as of 2008 according to google.

So Russia has 24 Subs to operate in the North Sea, Atlantic Ocean, Artic Sea, Pacific Ocean, etc, etc. Russia has a vast amount of water to cover with their fleet, the UK is geographically small, we don't have an empire to defend, we need a slightly larger surface fleet but it would be silly to have a similar number to Russia or the US.

we have a total of 11.... we don't even have an offensive EW plane....

The F-35 is an offensive EW plane btw.

about the only thing we have more than them is +1 aircraft carrier and about +4-6bil more in our military budget.

The Russians aircraft carrier isn't operational, it had a fire and has a vague ETA of when it'll be back in service

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_aircraft_carrier_Admiral_Kuznetsov#Fire

The world doesn't like us for intervening anywhere, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, libya..

We're in the business of protecting UK and Western interests, not keeping making everyone like us.

we're just a puppet of America on the world stage that meddles in places it's not wanted to support American regime change.

I don't think you actually follow what the UK military does abroad, we have a lot of operations where we're cooperating with countries that aren't America, invading Iraq in 2003 and when America triggered article 5 of the NATO convention following 9/11 doesn't make us a puppet.

it's about time we thought about our actual position in the world and how we want other countries to see us, standing on our own feet not holding americas coat tails.

Our actual position in the world is defending Western Democracy and the free market and maintaining nuclear non-proliferation and stopping the expansion of people opposed to those values, we do that alongside countries a lot of countries who do that, America being by far the biggest contributor. We're actually lucky to have America as an ally, do you even realise how vast the US Navy is compared to anyone else? Why wouldn't we want to be allies with America? Are you suggesting we "go it alone" and leave NATO or what?

Yes we're still important on the world stage, but not for being a military power

You could say the same about a lot of countries, the only "military power" is the US.
 
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I'm not sure what you're getting at other than posting an image depicting "waters" that aren't internationally recognised. Again, if you want to believe that, then so be it but a lot of the planet doesn't.

8 pages about nothing!

Reading this thread makes it appear we should all be building nuclear bunkers and hunkering down for WWIII :cry:
In reality, it'll fall off the news cycle within a week or so and Russia will go back to attempting to "whack" and suppress opposition and fixing elections.
 
This is all part of general movements, freedom of navigation exercises and maybe a little light prodding with a bit stick by the UK, however what's different between this and the Russian Navy sailing up the English Channel and North Sea?

Also, whilst this won't come to anything, to those saying the UK's point is mute, I'd urge you to read up a little about the Type 45s, especially their Sea Viper systems...
 
This is all part of general movements, freedom of navigation exercises and maybe a little light prodding with a bit stick by the UK, however what's different between this and the Russian Navy sailing up the English Channel and North Sea?

Also, whilst this won't come to anything, to those saying the UK's point is mute, I'd urge you to read up a little about the Type 45s, especially their Sea Viper systems...

Difference is that the crimean water is seen as Russian by Russia and as Ukrainian by the western world, who dud nothing to stop the Russians from defacto annexing the territory.
 
I suppose you'd be the expert on spineless if you're living in "La France" eh

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And there it is, that didn’t take long, the old entrenched canards are the best, but you forgot women with hairy armpits, surly Parisian waiters, and Frenchmen in striped jumpers and berets, adorned with strings of onions and/or garlic.
Sure, the French Government capitulated in 1940, but Le Maquis, (resistance), fought on.
 
But nothing said about the Russian jets flying in to UK air space.

That's because they don't fly into our airspace uninvited. They fly close enough to trigger the reaction force but that been going on decades. USSR/Russian bomber interception was what the EE Lightning was designed for, then Phantom FGR2's, the Tornado F3's and now Typhoon FGR4.
 
Difference is that the crimean water is seen as Russian by Russia and as Ukrainian by the western world, who dud nothing to stop the Russians from defacto annexing the territory.

Hence me saying Freedom of Navigation exercises... If only Russian recognise the situation, and nearly everyone recognises them as being Ukrainian, you're happy to just leave them to it?

The same will be happening in a few months when HMS QE goes near China
 
The same will be happening in a few months when HMS QE goes near China

Exactly. This situation is the same as us doing a FON exercise in the South China Sea. We've done it the last few years, so has the US and Australia. At all times China sends warships or coastguard vessels to have a moan over the radio and complain we are in their waters. You can't get round international law by illegally annexing waters or countries. We even escort ships moving freight through areas near Iran because their coastguard is harrasing them.

None of this is new, and it shouldn't stop. The only difference this time is that Russia has decided to do a PR on it, and they have sent for our Ambassador in Moscow. I'm sure he'll just tell them to get lost.
 
And there it is, that didn’t take long, the old entrenched canards are the best, but you forgot women with hairy armpits, surly Parisian waiters, and Frenchmen in striped jumpers and berets, adorned with strings of onions and/or garlic.
Sure, the French Government capitulated in 1940, but Le Maquis, (resistance), fought on.

Nah, there were some gorgeous girls in Paris.
 
Probably because they are not violating the UK airspace.

This topic had been explained to death everywhere so you can do your own research but the gist of it is that most intercepts happen in ADIZ and in no way breach national airspace. I do not recall the Russians breaching the UK airspace, we have enough planes to intercept them before they come anywhere near it as they are flagged immediately after entering ADIZ.

EDIT: if it is not completely clear, nation's ADIZ is still international airspace and everybody has the right to fly there.

Ok, I looked ADIZ up. So it seems to be when a country defines an area outside of its own national borders.

But hasn't Russia done a similar thing with Crimea? Just taken it over and declared that it's part of Russia?

Apparently this ship was off the coast of Crimea, not Russia, from the reports
 
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