Project: Angel

shadowscotland said:
overkill angel (got uppsy daisy angel in my head now - thanks of that :))
angelic overkill, Hmmmm :D

Good to see this back up and running again,
hope you get the time to finish it to your usual high standard
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It's almost there now m8. Gonna take some snaps once I get the fan controller replaced.
 
Oh dear!!!!!!

Before I finished off the build and began the cable tidy I thought I had better give it a quick boot to see all is well.

Like most builders, booting for the first time can be a moment of dread but huraahh! It booted first time with no issues whatsoever :D.

Thats as good as this update gets as there is doom and gloom to follow. After having a quick scour through the BIOS and inputting the 'easy' 4ghz settings I rebooted. The fans flickered slightly but no reboot. Strange I thought.

Must be a bad overclock or a setting I missed somewhere, however despite my best attempts (clearing CMOS etc) the damn thing refused to boot back into life. In a last ditch attempt I removed the power cord, cmos battery and left it for 20 mins or so.

Upon my return, it booted straight back up again - yay! This time I just loaded up the optimised defaults and the thing wouldn't boot again (cue CMOS clear and 10 minute wait).

At first I assumed there might have somehow damaged the psu so I tested it in another system and it work flawlessly - strange. Looking around on the net however, there appears to be a compatability issue with the enermax+85 psu and gigabyte UD5:mad:!

Regardless and not willing to accept defeat I booted the PC with a redundant PSU I had as a back up and it worked first time, no issues with reboot either so deffo a PSU problem:(. I've heard all the horror stories about cold booting issues with this board, despite not having any previously so in desparation I updated the BIOS to F12, replugged the enermax psu and crossed my fingers.

Nada:(.

Gutted.

So my options:

1. Keep the enermax PSU as a redundant supply to power everything (inc the 2xGTX280's) apart from the mainboard. It seems a shame not to, being as I have a second empty PSU slot in the case :D.

This however means braiding up and spraying the second PSU (an OCZ 750w modxtream iirc) - more time and ballache that I really care to go through!

2. By a new single PSU and rebraid/spray that? Time, money AND expense!

3, Throw the lot in the bin and go for a beer to console myself:cool:

4. Kick enermax and Gigabyte in the balls for their compatability issues!!!

Thoughts?
 
Find out which is actually at fact, the PSU or the motherboard, and then get it replaced?

Tis a right arse that though pal, hope you get it sorted. :(
 
Both are at fault m8. They are incompatible with each other. I have tested both the motherboard and psu separately and both work fine. Bizarre but true :(.

Looks like I'm gonna be ordering a boatload more braid to do another psu!
 
w3bbo said:
1. Keep the enermax PSU as a redundant supply to power everything (inc the 2xGTX280's) apart from the mainboard. It seems a shame not to, being as I have a second empty PSU slot in the case :D.

This however means braiding up and spraying the second PSU (an OCZ 750w modxtream iirc) - more time and ballache that I really care to go through!

2. By a new single PSU and rebraid/spray that? Time, money AND expense!

3, Throw the lot in the bin and go for a beer to console myself:cool:

4. Kick enermax and Gigabyte in the balls for their compatability issues!!!

Thoughts?
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Option 1 & part of option 3 skip the bin bit :D, but yeah walk away chillout & good food & beer sounds good :).

Drooling at the 2000mhz 7,8,7 ram :cool:.
 
waynio said:
Option 1 & part of option 3 skip the bin bit :D, but yeah walk away chillout & good food & beer sounds good :).

Drooling at the 2000mhz 7,8,7 ram :cool:.
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Had a beer and some fine grub and slept on it. Feel more optimistic now :).

wilko49 said:
incompatible psu? what? I don't even.... really, how does that happen?
On a more positive note, that looks the biz. *jealous*
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From what I can tell, in Laymans terms it happens when the left hand (Motherboard manufacturer) doesn't talk to the right hand (PSU manufacturer). Enermax, Seasonic, Corsair and Thermaltake have all had issues with both the EVGA Classified and Gigabyte UD5. It's basically down to when the PC tries to boot. Some models of the above PSU's have a power protection circuit 'feature'. The PSU sends a signal to the motherboard saying 'I have the power, do you want some'? The motherboard then should reply, 'Yes please'. However, should there be a delay in response, the PSU assumes there is a problem and automatically cuts out as 'protection'. The resulting fan twitching and boot cycles are often mistaken as ground faults or motherboard/PSU errors. When a PSU/MOB is replaced the problem dissappears when in fact there is nothing wrong with either of them, they are just incompatible.

The UD5 and Classified both have extended power on cycles which trigger this protection circuit, unfortunately:(. This problem has been resolved with the latest models of PSU/mobo.

So I'm gonna use a second psu to power the mobo/CPU and use the enermax to power the GPU's, Pumps, Fans and the rest of the hardware. It's no bad thing as I have the space, its just a ball ache to have to braid another 24+8pin on hte PSU along with spraying the damn thing!
 
Do you think updating the BIOS would work w3bbo? Not sure just would hate to say you go through a ballache after your work.
 
thanks for that, makes sense. I think I would go for the ball-kicking and beer then!
on the plus side, maybe you can make a profit selling a pre-braided psu?
 
LeJosh said:
Do you think updating the BIOS would work w3bbo? Not sure just would hate to say you go through a ballache after your work.
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No, I've tried numerous BIOS revisions and all present the same problem.

clone said:
If it worked before and you have braided the cables then maybe a faulty pin?
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Nah m8. I've tripple checked everything like that. Thing is when I innitially tested it it booted up. I never tried rebooting before installing all the hardware and thats where the problem lies.

wilko49 said:
thanks for that, makes sense. I think I would go for the ball-kicking and beer then!
on the plus side, maybe you can make a profit selling a pre-braided psu?
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Not much call for white though, every man and his dog (and cat..gerbil...mouse etc) have a black PC so want black PSU's. Apart from that I wouldn't really want to palm off my early revision PSU which has these issues.
 
w3bbo said:
So I'm gonna use a second psu to power the mobo/CPU and use the enermax to power the GPU's, Pumps, Fans and the rest of the hardware. It's no bad thing as I have the space, its just a ball ache to have to braid another 24+8pin on hte PSU along with spraying the damn thing!
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Have you considered pre braided extensions w3bbo for the 24 + 8 pin power connectors on the second psu? nzxt do extensions for 24 + 8 pin atx in white braid.

24 pin
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CM-007-NX&groupid=701&catid=1428&subcat=1689

8 pin
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CM-008-NX&groupid=701&catid=1428&subcat=1689

Albeit the connection ends are in black.
 
No probs, very well braided cables as well, (each individual wire sleeved). I use the black versions on my corsair hx850w, much better quality of braid too than the standard corsair stuff.
 
I've pulled the trigger on the 24 and 8 pin which have an ETA of tommorow. I would have preffered ideally to braid the PSU myself but white braid appears to be in short supply atm (dense weave).
One thing thats going to cause problems is this means I have another two cables to hide in an already bundle of cables which is rapidly resembling a rats nest. With no mothboard tray to hide them all, it's going to take some effort to hide them all!

We'll see how it goes.
 
Seen a empty psu used to good effect to hide wires.
Or make an internal cable tray like I have on my build.
Or a small bit of dado trunking mounted vertially in a corner
Or heard (but not seen) of a guy that used a double bay res to stuff his cables in.

do a goggle image search on 'hide cables' lots of ideas there - love the mantlepiece and knitted options :D
 
Aye, I've got something similar in mind. Only option really as there is just nowhere to stuff all the cables!
 
Hehe, my build just won a copy of DiRT2 thanks to a generous forum member:

LINK HERE

Sorry for the shameless bump to those who have subscribed to this thread hoping for an update.

I have been doing a little work (honest!). I have sprayed the second PSU and bought some NZXT braided cables(white) to complement the white braided enermax psu. They are actually not half bad. The braid isn't the dense weave stuff so its doesn't look as nice as MDPC braid but the cables underneath are white so it doesn't matter :).

I'm still trying to figure out how best to hide away the cables which will most likely mean I will strip all the tubing out of the pc to best access all the wiring to make a good job of it :(.

For those interested I will not be running both psu's in parallel (sp?). Rather I will be using the top most vandal switch (latch) to innitially turn on the pumps/fans etc and then using the second vandal (momentry) switch to turn the hardware on. This means I'll be without a reset switch. However I rarely use a reset switch as imo this does more damage to hardware than good. Best to shutdown (power switch 4secs).

The reasoning for having the enermax cpu on the latch switch is that it can continue to cool the components down via the waterblocks and fans even after the pc is turned off. Think turbo timer and you get the idea :D.

I have two weeks annual leave coming up so this build WILL be finished by the end of August :D. I'll keep you all posted.

Oh, and as we have a new section in this forum, could those who appreciate the hardwork that has gone into this build or maybe just like what they see, please show this via the 'rate thread' tool. Thx guys ;).
 
Sweet so it's turned it into a nice feature being able to keep the fans, pumps running, good that your back on track with this :). True about the reset switch, I don't even know why I bothered putting 1 on mine, I never use it & now with the led's in the front fans I could just consider that as the power light & change the switch light to function as hdd activity, next time :).
 
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