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Prometheus 2 aka Alien: Paradise Lost
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I love that movie!
Me too!
I really like Prometheus as well, although I do accept its mant faults.
Soldato
I'm deadly serious. There is no reason to assume that the two films are causally connected, we are only told that the sequence of events presented in the films are in different spacetimes.
Soldato
It was strange with Alien 3 I read the book before seeing the film and then read the book again after seeing the film as I thought "what the ?" and there were massive chunks missing from the film.
When its all put back in as per the Directors Cut it is an enjoyable film that elevates it a bit higher and further away from the dire Alien Resurrection.
One of the original scripts was the "Monks in space" story which then got changed from Monks to prisoners. Think how that one would have sucked.
Sorry bit OT.
It's a shame because having read through the Empire article about Jon Spaihts script, had they stuck with the 'Alien' link, we would have had a much better film.
http://www.empireonline.com/interviews/interview.asp?IID=1563
This part especially gives me the creeps just reading about it, let alone watching it in a movie...
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You can't remove parasites anymore since Aliens: Colonial Marines (2013) canon.
They are like a weed attached to all major organs.
They are like a weed attached to all major organs.
Good try, you almost convinced yourself.
There are a number of what we know would be low cost tech items in Prometheus that to say the characters in the future films would not have access to is just plain silly.
Such as?
Considering one is set on what is effectively a billion/trillionaire's personal yacht and the other films are set on a run down ship, start up colony and a prison world.
Yeah, Spaihts said that David is more bloody hands on.
No doubt the film would have been much better because it would not have been rewritten by someone else.
One thing is for sure, Fox is possibly the worst Hollywood studio when it comes to meddling. They all do it I'm sure, but looking at a list of 10 films ruined by Hollywood studios, Fox cropped up more than any other.
After the Alien 3 debacle, you would think that they might have learned something from that. It's rather depressing that there's plenty of films that could have been so much better if studios kept their mucky fingers out.
Commissario
As you say all the studios do it, but Fox certainly seems more high profile.
I think my favourite one comes from the old Puppet Masters film with Donald Sutherland, which IIRC had the script change quite heaving from Sci-fi to something else, back to closer to the original script and story during production.
The reason being that it was approved by a senior guy at the studio who apparently didn't read any of the actual story, and thus didn't realise it was a Sci-fi script, he hated Sci-fi and when he did realise (quite late in pre production) there was a real fight between different execs and production staff about if it would retain the sci-fi story.
Unfortunately such situations are fairly common as every single big budget film tends to end up (especially if they want/need a big name star or director) having fights between the original script writers and production people, and pretty much everyone else with a finger in the pie, as the Studio might decide they want X director, that director might decide he has to have X star, the star and Director might then both want things rewritten to give it more their "vision of the film" (or the Star deciding that he doesn't want his charecter doing something nasty or something nasty happening to his character, or that it should have less/more guns), whilst the Studio might decide they've lost confidence in the director or screenwriter, and thus change them and you end up with the cycle repeating
There are some great books out there about how projects have failed in late pre production (often after millions have been spent), or worse, how the films ended up getting made as a total mess because so many changes were made during production and no one was able to say "no" because so much had been spent already (or key parts of the cast/crew were about to have to go off to do other work so they ran out of time to do some of the new key scenes).
Even some of the best films have had these struggles but managed to do well, often because one person was important enough to push one version through despite the arguments, or because at the end of it only a handful of people were with it from start to finish and they managed to keep the best suggestions from every argument in a coherent manner.
IIRC it's one of the reasons the modern Marvell films have done fairly well, the Studio and directors have worked well with the Script writes (in general) and not given into individual stars/directors demands to vary too much from the centrally agreed version and where the stars have done stuff that was "off script" it's been fairly well contained and worked as part of the character (for example IIRC it was RDJ's idea to have Stark go on a health food/smoothy thing, or keep it going after the character had to drink chlorophyll in one of the films).
I think my favourite one comes from the old Puppet Masters film with Donald Sutherland, which IIRC had the script change quite heaving from Sci-fi to something else, back to closer to the original script and story during production.
The reason being that it was approved by a senior guy at the studio who apparently didn't read any of the actual story, and thus didn't realise it was a Sci-fi script, he hated Sci-fi and when he did realise (quite late in pre production) there was a real fight between different execs and production staff about if it would retain the sci-fi story.
Unfortunately such situations are fairly common as every single big budget film tends to end up (especially if they want/need a big name star or director) having fights between the original script writers and production people, and pretty much everyone else with a finger in the pie, as the Studio might decide they want X director, that director might decide he has to have X star, the star and Director might then both want things rewritten to give it more their "vision of the film" (or the Star deciding that he doesn't want his charecter doing something nasty or something nasty happening to his character, or that it should have less/more guns), whilst the Studio might decide they've lost confidence in the director or screenwriter, and thus change them and you end up with the cycle repeating
There are some great books out there about how projects have failed in late pre production (often after millions have been spent), or worse, how the films ended up getting made as a total mess because so many changes were made during production and no one was able to say "no" because so much had been spent already (or key parts of the cast/crew were about to have to go off to do other work so they ran out of time to do some of the new key scenes).
Even some of the best films have had these struggles but managed to do well, often because one person was important enough to push one version through despite the arguments, or because at the end of it only a handful of people were with it from start to finish and they managed to keep the best suggestions from every argument in a coherent manner.
IIRC it's one of the reasons the modern Marvell films have done fairly well, the Studio and directors have worked well with the Script writes (in general) and not given into individual stars/directors demands to vary too much from the centrally agreed version and where the stars have done stuff that was "off script" it's been fairly well contained and worked as part of the character (for example IIRC it was RDJ's idea to have Stark go on a health food/smoothy thing, or keep it going after the character had to drink chlorophyll in one of the films).
Caporegime
The obvious issue would be the fact that the computer - singular - on the Nostromo is like 80s tech.
Soldato
70's.
Should Prometheus have been rocking 50's computer tech or something?
Then again, perhaps they should've just had an abacus considering how many years it's set before Alien
Should Prometheus have been rocking 50's computer tech or something?
Then again, perhaps they should've just had an abacus considering how many years it's set before Alien
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Caporegime
True, it should be 70s given the film was made in the 70s!
Yeah but does anyone take CM seriously, it can barely call itself a game
Also Prometheus predates CM so it have set a precedent.
Apparently the title of this film has now been changed to 'Alien: Covenant.'
Apparently they've also hired 'Spectre' writer John Logan, to make sense of this film. So another re-write of someone else's work, just as Prometheus was? Doesn't bode well.
These muppets never learn; just repeating the same mistakes over and over.
Apparently they've also hired 'Spectre' writer John Logan, to make sense of this film. So another re-write of someone else's work, just as Prometheus was? Doesn't bode well.
These muppets never learn; just repeating the same mistakes over and over.
If it makes money it won't be a 'mistake' and someone will spin it as a great idea and a superb decision.
The film isn't bad, it's the editing that ruins it because a lot of it simply doesn't make sense if you watch it as it was released.
Prometheus is not an Alien prequel, it's set in the same universe and as Ridley himself explained many time's it's a standalone with Alien DNA.
The film progressed into its own film to the point Ridley separated the two franchises and somewhere in an earlier interview after a fee films Alien and Prometheus would eventually tie in.
The film progressed into its own film to the point Ridley separated the two franchises and somewhere in an earlier interview after a fee films Alien and Prometheus would eventually tie in.
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I keep hoping for a Ridley Special aka Directors cut before Prom 2. Something to at least sooth the haters before the next instalment arrives and the bile starts to flow again
I don't think the prequel bit is the issue as people didn't moan so much as to the continuity of events but the film itself. The gaps in the film leave too many plot holes - and as I said, it's more about the editing than the storyline.
I hope the sequel is less about fancy effects though.
Soldato
Prometheus was a good film on its own , but as part of the Alien universe it makes no sense. I dont care much for Ridleys comments that it was never meant to be.
You dont make a film like that and somehow walk away from it going 'oh it doesnt matter , its nothing to do with the last four films despite having 101 references to it at every corner'
Still i'm looking forward to this.
You dont make a film like that and somehow walk away from it going 'oh it doesnt matter , its nothing to do with the last four films despite having 101 references to it at every corner'
Still i'm looking forward to this.
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