PS3 Impressions and Opinions Thread **Now includes pricing information**

FrankJH said:
None of the googled reports I have read are mentioning anything about removal of hidef sockets since the news conference - and I cant believe that one of the ps3's selling points would be removed completely ( one thing an x360 being sold without a hdd that you can add later, but totally different ballgame if there is isnt a particular type of output)

Also I guess its upto Sony ( the inventors of blueray) whether they use hdcp (as this is a pc requirement for software / dispalys mainly) or not, if they chose to then THAT is what could be added as a firmware update - I never said that a socket could be added with a software download ( thats just daft) - so needles it would be best if you stopped twisting people's words and meanings which were evident in my initial post

I also personally think its unfair to price compare a unit that has been on the market for a year against one that is brand new - of course the older one will become cheaper - compare like to like ie what the x360 was when 1st out to nov 2006 price of ps3.
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I ain't twisting your words first of all it's not just for PC it's the standard spec for all blu-ray drives and HDDVD drives to feature HDCP sony can not remove at will to suit their needs it's an industry standard so movie studios all have to adhere to them and if sony removed it solely for their console ( cannabilised model ) then would this not leave it open to piracy due to the key security feature against piracy being removed. And as has been stated the release price for 360 is still cheaper than both models of PS3.
 
JUMPURS said:
MS have never brought anything New, the only thing they ever done was bring out an improved online service for gamers.
As for hard drive i may be wrong but i think the PS2 had a HDD before the 360 was released.
I dont think Sony have lied (this is where people say Killzone 2, that was a HUGE mistake).
Sony are the ones who at least try to bring new technologies and get slatted for it, they held back there console for Blu-Ray, they want to try a new chip architecture in the cell, they want to have lots of ways of connecting. They want an established hand held that can then hook up to a PS3.
Lets not forget Sony where a forerunner in motion sensing, soem could argue that the Wii controller is an improved method of motion capture sony made popular with the EyeToy.
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Custom architecture for cell yes, custom architecture for graphics part for 360 yes ( unified shader architecture ) and as for an improved online service, improved on who's exactly ( dreamcast had it first as did many before it ) ms have set the standard for online and all others are now trying to copy the model ( marketplace, arcade etc ). In reality blu-ray is not really a new technology as such just an evolution of dvd ( higher capacity disc's that use a blue laser hence blu-ray ) and it's not doing this for gamers sake more to use PS3 as a means to launch a new format.
 
Can I just say how fed up I am with people refering to a storage format as 'high definition'! Blu Ray in itself is no more high definition than CD or DVD - it is a storage format and NOT a display format! The reason this annoys me is that many seem to think that the only way to get HD is via BR or HD-DVD, which technically is incorrect.
CD, DVD, and in fact any storage format are capable of storing High Definition content (albeit restricted in length) - afterall, I been playing in High Definition on my PC for the last 10 years odd!
On a side note, what disadvantages does WMVHD have? Just curious as I notice that each WMVHD episode of Lost only takes up about 350mb?
 
Kronologic said:
1) Intragrated Hard drive
2) Intragrated Network *
3) Intregrated online Support*
4) Universal Online Identity, with stats and friends list *
5) Hi-Definition graphics
6) Intregrated out of the box wireless controlers
7) Multi-core Arcitecture
8) PC connectivity
9) Free Demo distribution
10) O/S opperating in the background
11) The ablity to play custom soundtracks ingame
12) The ability to Chat online in-game without playing the same game

To name a few things off the top of my head.

*The Dreamcast may have had these features I do not know.
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Unless i much mistaken i said new, not improved or repackaged things ;)
1. integrated hard drive was not inovative, as said above i think the PS2 may have had an HDD before, and it was integrated
2. Same as HDD with the PS2, it was already in the pipeline if not out before the xbox
3. Dreamcast came with a built in modem
4. i'll maybe give you
5. Think the PS2 was hi def compat years ago, my release one had component settings, although i may be wrong
6. This is just saying we took someones idea and put it in the box, wireless controllers where not new, Nintendo wavebird is regarded as many as paving the way for that.
7. Hmmmmmm trying to think if the emotion engine counts as multi core :p
8. With the 360?? My PS2 could connect to my PC before the 360 came out using 2 methods, 1 USB flash drives (GT4 allowed this) or Running Linux, which was fully supported by Sony. Also MS are getting taken to court in the EU for being difficult with there software. Saying that i might give it to you, but struggling to see what benefits it gives to gaming.
9. its not free u must own an xbox HDD to do it, one of the big selling points of the HDD
10. Thats a possitive?
11. ok that i will give ya
12.that i will give you,
but in notes for the things i will give ya:
4,9,10,12 all ammount to live but splitting that all up, good call ;)
I have decided to avoid PC gaming, although in my original post i generally ment what new did they bring to gaming, not merely console gaming, which would take care of 1, 7 , 8 , 9 , 10, 11, 12

I still feel none of it is new, just something else that was already in place, and tweaked a bit, but thats just my feelings
 
JUMPURS said:
5. Think the PS2 was hi def compat years ago, my release one had component settings, although i may be wrong
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The PS2 was, but like the HDD it was rarely used. GT4 and perhaps one or two other titles supported it.
 
It's amazing just how innovative the Dreamcast was eh? Just dug up one of my Dreamcast handheld memorycard gadget thingy, and I remember how with many games the screen was used for extras such as maps and stats and other ingame use on the main console......oh look, nintendo and Sony have folowed suit ;)
 
t@xman said:
On a side note, what disadvantages does WMVHD have? Just curious as I notice that each WMVHD episode of Lost only takes up about 350mb?
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lol, no the downloaded episodes of Lost are not HD mate. 40 mins of HD content would be several gigabytes in size.
 
t@xman said:
It's amazing just how innovative the Dreamcast was eh? Just dug up one of my Dreamcast handheld memorycard gadget thingy, and I remember how with many games the screen was used for extras such as maps and stats and other ingame use on the main console......oh look, nintendo and Sony have folowed suit ;)
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Was that inovative MS basically uprated it and called it an xbox. I didnt own a dreamcast till a few months ago, but as soon as i got it i was like, wtf?? this is a grey xbox
 
Please if you can tell me JUMPURS what has sony brought to us thats new, and having things in the pipeline or thinking of them is not the same as making them standard out of the box features, motion sensitive controllers I have been thinking of that for years so does that mean nintendo and sony stole my idea, didn't think so.

P.S. I am enjoying these little back and forth debates......how wonderful. ;)
 
JUMPURS said:
Was that inovative MS basically uprated it and called it an xbox. I didnt own a dreamcast till a few months ago, but as soon as i got it i was like, wtf?? this is a grey xbox
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Ah ha but you see ms had a hand in some of the features of the dreamcast as it does use windows CE and the way it linked to the net, so just as the snes cd-rom drive was the launch pad for playstation then snap dreamcast for ms
 
The original Xbox had a HDD before the PS2 I think, some people seem to be ignoring that fact ;)

Fact is MS have given us new things to play with and they are the ones that have really brought online console gaming to the masses.
 
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The Microsoft Sidewinder Freestyle joypad was available around 1996 and was to my knowledge the 1st motion sensor control device widely available in the public domain......I had one (came with motocross madness), and it was absolute cack gimmick that was fun for 2 minutes, then became extremely tedious! Am therefore hoping that Sony's version will be much improved, but from the look of seeing him using it during the conference I'd guess that it's still just as cack.
 
Also not convinced about some of these so called "inovations" as just about every single one has come direct from the PC - do not pass go, do not collect £200. :p
 
Yeah Nismo i stand corrected it did come out before FFXI did on the PS2.

i thought it was a nintendo thing was the laucnhpad for the PS?

i didnt say thinking of i said had in the pipeline ;) they already had made allowances for several things such as the HDD etc but just was seriously underused etc.
These are just sribbled in the last 5 mins of my lunch so its a bit tongue in cheek lol

Sony
1. The EyeToy (motion capute)
2. Huge Storage spaces for games to run on (DVD in Consoles, revolutionary imho)
3. High Def Gaming ;)
5. Marketing Hype ;)
6. Modern Day gaming to the masses
7. Widescreen Portable multimedia gaming device (sounds good dinnit lol)


Sega
1. Online Console Gaming
2. Trigger Buttons
3. Secondary Screens in games

And T@man i know i agree completely about the coming from PC part, i did say that ;)
And I do like the wee back and forth it can be fun, sometimes we all get a bit heated though, but even then thats a forum innit ;)
 
needles has a point a lot of those so called reasons he "split up" was down to MS helping any way, so if anything they have tweaked there own work in a way :p

The screen on the dreamcast mem card was ace, u could have like a tamagochi type thing in sonic :D

and #2 on yours about sony using the dvd, i wudnt say it was there move its more of an evolution in technology as a whole. Games was already being put on DVDs so it made sense to use them on a console hardly any more difficult to fit a dvd drive to a cd one.
 
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JUMPURS said:
Unless i much mistaken i said new, not improved or repackaged things
1. integrated hard drive was not inovative, as said above i think the PS2 may have had an HDD before, and it was integrated
2. Same as HDD with the PS2, it was already in the pipeline if not out before the xbox
3. Dreamcast came with a built in modem
4. i'll maybe give you
5. Think the PS2 was hi def compat years ago, my release one had component settings, although i may be wrong
6. This is just saying we took someones idea and put it in the box, wireless controllers where not new, Nintendo wavebird is regarded as many as paving the way for that.
7. Hmmmmmm trying to think if the emotion engine counts as multi core :p
8. With the 360?? My PS2 could connect to my PC before the 360 came out using 2 methods, 1 USB flash drives (GT4 allowed this) or Running Linux, which was fully supported by Sony. Also MS are getting taken to court in the EU for being difficult with there software. Saying that i might give it to you, but struggling to see what benefits it gives to gaming.
9. its not free u must own an xbox HDD to do it, one of the big selling points of the HDD
10. Thats a possitive?
11. ok that i will give ya
12.that i will give you,
but in notes for the things i will give ya:
4,9,10,12 all ammount to live but splitting that all up, good call
I have decided to avoid PC gaming, although in my original post i generally ment what new did they bring to gaming, not merely console gaming, which would take care of 1, 7 , 8 , 9 , 10, 11, 12

I still feel none of it is new, just something else that was already in place, and tweaked a bit, but thats just my feelings
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Well allow me to retort ;)

1) Sony had a space for the HD and always said it would come. MS put theirs in before Sony (in this country at least). Plus I was talking about HDD being in the console from day one not as an addon
2) I was talking about this not being an addon.
3)Modems are not network support. (well maybe a little but 56k is nothing worth writing home about)
4) I dont think you have a choice with 4 :p
5) High-def in 720p or 1080i (the standard Hi-Def resolutions. I dont think so. It may have done 480p but even then I am sceptical.
6) again, out of the box no add ons required (Just think of the money MS could have made this time round if they made you but everything as an accessory)
7) No it doesn't.
8) Your trying to wriggle out of this one, and you cant get out of it. Memory cards and installing a new OS is not the same as plugging in a network cable and being able to view your movies or recorded TV programs, or access all your music.
9) Assumes you bought a real 360 not a cut-down 360
10) yes because it allows 11 and 12.
11/12) of course

4/9/10/11/12) all seperate inovations utilising one part of the infastructure.

1, 7 , 8 , 9 , 10, 11, 12) I was assuming we were taking about console gameing. :D


I have some more to add
13) Near Simotainious worldwide release (it may have had a lot of negitive publicity, however it has never been done before and other console manufacturers, have taken note
14) releasing a highend/lowend version of the console. Again never done before, taken a bit of critisisim and now being copied by other manufacturers.

From all my points made it would be easy for me to say that MS have gone from new boys to market leaders and inovaters. (I know they have not got the sales yet to fully support market leaders).
If you look at what MS have done last time round and this time round and what sony has done this time round, you can clearly see that they have observed MS's sucesses and are trying to incorperate them in their next console.

BTW I am not a MS fanboy, I am a console fanboy
When I heard about the PS3 I was so, so excited and I spent weeks talking about the CELL and how it would revolutionise gaming. I was convinced Sony would blow MS and Ninty out of the water. Heck I was willing to buy one at any price. There simply would not be any way MS or Ninty could keep up with the power of the PS3 and with sony's console pedegree their success was a sure fired garentee, I guess they thought so too.

MS has managed to build and release 2 generations of consoles in the time Sony have yet to release one. MS have produced in what I think is an outstanding console that will (has) changed the way consoles will be used in the future. They have completely outdone themselves and the 360 is going to be an increadably hard act to follow. My question, irrespective of all the Hoo-ha going on is simply. Can Sony get a better product out? Only time will tell.
 
JUMPURS said:
Yeah Nismo i stand corrected it did come out before FFXI did on the PS2.

i thought it was a nintendo thing was the laucnhpad for the PS?

i didnt say thinking of i said had in the pipeline ;) they already had made allowances for several things such as the HDD etc but just was seriously underused etc.
These are just sribbled in the last 5 mins of my lunch so its a bit tongue in cheek lol

Sony
1. The EyeToy (motion capute)
2. Huge Storage spaces for games to run on (DVD in Consoles, revolutionary imho)
3. High Def Gaming
5. Marketing Hype
6. Modern Day gaming to the masses
7. Widescreen Portable multimedia gaming device (sounds good dinnit lol)


Sega
1. Online Console Gaming
2. Trigger Buttons
3. Secondary Screens in games

And T@man i know i agree completely about the coming from PC part, i did say that ;)
And I do like the wee back and forth it can be fun, sometimes we all get a bit heated though, but even then thats a forum innit ;)
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So good to hear from you JUMPURS ( look spelt the name correct and everything ) it's been a while, still fighting in the sony corner ;) , lol kidding yes indeed a heated debate brings out the best in everyone on a forum, fanboyisim ( nice new word that is ), trolling and so on ah sure it's all done in the best possible taste
 
Well, the rumor is true, GT4 will run at HDTV 1080i resolutions in single player mode (or LAN play) with a notable improvement in image quality. For once, the high resolution, anti-aliased images produced by Sony’s development PS2 systems is close to what the end user can really achieve.
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http://www.firingsquad.com/games/gran_turismo_4/

Dialup is networking support as it allows you to play with people around the world, albeit at low speed data rates/high latency.
 
JUMPURS said:
Sony
1. The EyeToy (motion capute)
2. Huge Storage spaces for games to run on (DVD in Consoles, revolutionary imho)
3. High Def Gaming ;)
5. Marketing Hype ;)
6. Modern Day gaming to the masses
7. Widescreen Portable multimedia gaming device (sounds good dinnit lol)

2) Hmm, kind of nearly well they were the first I guess
3) Nope
4) Where are you number 4? Where I ask, where?
5) SNES
6) NES
7) meh


Sega
1. Online Console Gaming
2. Trigger Buttons
3. Secondary Screens in games
4. colour screan on portable consoles ;)
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