PS3 Impressions and Opinions Thread **Now includes pricing information**

FrankJH said:
Fair comment but remember the programming behind the pc has been going on for years with additional layers being implemented every now and then (admittedly this is a VERY basic view) it will take time for the dev teams to get the most out of both consoles, but in about 3 years time I would reckon they will be at their peak (going on normal life span of consoles being about 4 - 5 years)
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By the time that the consoles reach their peak, the PC's most basic games will have graphical prowess far beyond those consoles at their peak.

JUMPURS said:
Lets not forget Sony where a forerunner in motion sensing, soem could argue that the Wii controller is an improved method of motion capture sony made popular with the EyeToy.
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That they could.
Although that'd be blown out of the water so fast that it wouldnt be worth putting the water back.
The EyeToy has about as much to do with the WII-mote as a car has to do with a lemon.
The EyeToy is motion capture, which is completely different to motion sensing, which is what the WII-mote uses.
 
Needles isnt right actually , only IF Sony choose to use HDCP do they have to worry about it, its THIER format, their intellectual property no one else can tell them what they HAVE to do.

HDCP may well become an industry standard but its by no means there yet

Sony may well choose to put HDCP on every disc, but its identical to UMD in the fact that with their software ( be it a movie or a game) they can choose what protection that is used. I have no idea whether Sony Pictures have requested PS3 company ( as they are seperate financial units) to put it on or not, but at the end of the day it really is their choice - if anyone else in the industry wants to produce BD hardware or software they have to go to Sony to request / buy a licence

And I am believe I am right in thinking that IF a tv has hdmi with hdcp socket (as they may well need to for use with upcoming pc's etc with Vista OS) it doesnt mean it wont accept an non hdcp input thru that socket, so PS3 would still work IF Sony chose not to use hdcp
 
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Phil99 said:
PS2 had a high definition game out before the 360. What the 360 does bring, however, is high definition in all games, which the PS2 simply can't manage.
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480p is not high definition... no is 560i or whatever it is called.
Or am i missing the point and that there was a game for PS2 that could do one of the below resolutions? (i can't see how?!?)
There are only 3 real resolutions for high defenition and thats 720p, 1080i and 1080p.

edit: so there was a 1080i game on the PS2... i stand corrected :)
 
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Kamakazie! said:
480p is not high definition... no is 560i or whatever it is called.
Or am i missing the point and that there was a game for PS2 that could do one of the below resolutions? (i can't see how?!?)
There are only 3 real resolutions for high defenition and thats 720p, 1080i and 1080p.
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I believe there were US games that could output 720p at least
 
If Sony want both versions to play all BR movies in HD mode, then it needs some sort of HDCP support. Be it over HDMI or over DVI.
Fact.
Sony are not the sole creators of BR, nor do they 'rule' over the HDCP process. Its not upto them, its upto the movie studios what protection they put on their disks.

The basic PS3 has a 'AV Multi-Out'. Theres nothing to realistically say that the Multi-Out wont also support an adaptor that allows a HDMI cable and/or DVI with HDCP support.
 
BoomAM said:
Sony are not the sole creators of BR, nor do they 'rule' over the HDCP process. Its not upto them, its upto the movie studios what protection they put on their disks.
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Think the point some people are trying to make is Sony are a major motion picture studio, so they can choose what to do about HDCP in a manner of speaking ;)
 
Doesnt quite work like that im afraid.
As has been said, Sony Pictures are basically a different company to the Playstation brand. Both operated differently.
Sony pictures will want to protect their content to prevent piracy. Wether the Playstation devision follows suit to make sure their product can do protected content is upto them.
Wether content from Sony Pictures is protected or not, isnt.
 
All good stuff but two things strike me..

1/ All these price comparisons are all very well and good but as others have mentioned don't forget by the time PS3 releases Xbox 360 will have had it's annual price reduction (i'd guess the Premium version will hit either £249 or £229 with core at £189ish)

2/ Lots is made of the Blu-Ray drive being the killer, bit of a bugger if HD-DVD wins the format war though. The 360 HD-DVD is an add on so they could just as easily do a Blu-Ray device if need be...

Yes people with buy PS3 because it's the follow on from PS 1 / 2 and "playstation" is now the generic name for a console to Joe Public. It's not a bad bit od kit either though hardly ground breaking for an entire year after 360. Personaly I think Sony have lost any compelling advantage this time out and we'll exit this generation with 360/PS3 at roughly even market share with Nintendo 3rd.

Just a thought
 
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BoomAM said:
Doesnt quite work like that im afraid.
As has been said, Sony Pictures are basically a different company to the Playstation brand. Both operated differently.
Sony pictures will want to protect their content to prevent piracy. Wether the Playstation devision follows suit to make sure their product can do protected content is upto them.
Wether content from Sony Pictures is protected or not, isnt.
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That is also very true, it will all depend on how the main board want to do it though.
The way i see it is there are 3 main divisions will be at work
Sony Blu-Ray (i assume that will be a division)
Sony Motion Pictures
Sony Computer Entertainment.

Now SMP will want to sell movies, SCE want to sell PS3's and Blu-Ray will want to win the format war.
SMP's main distribution point will be the PS3 at first, and the Blu-Ray division will want to win the way, if both of that means they need to release movies initially without HDCP (because the PS3 wont support it) then the main Sony Corp peps will give the orders. Because if that one decision means all 3 do well, then thats in the best interest of the shareholders, and if its best for shareholders afaik they are legally obliged to do it (although dunno how that would work in court lol)
The other thing is, initially HDCP wont really be an issue as, what 30gig for a movie isnt easily dished about, not quick downloads and wont be any Blu-Ray burners withing Joe Publics grasp, so Blu Ray and HD-DVD piracy will not be an issue for at least a few years, at which point HDCP will then start be more strongly enforced.
 
sony will still take the big share of the market i expect its just the way its likely to be but MS have turned it around fast! They have released two consoles in the time sony have 1. imo they seem to be gaining ground very fast! The next consoles after these will be interesting and i think it could be a diff story with sony not at the top.
 
Remember that SONY aren't the only manufacturer that'll be making Blu Ray devices, and they're certainly not the only film studio that will be producing discs for it. For Blu Ray to win the format war it'll need to keep all parties sweet, otherwise they'll jump ship quicker than Quick McQuick!
All partes will want to protect their content, especially with the speed of the internet nowadays.
 
t@xman said:
Remember that SONY aren't the only manufacturer that'll be making Blu Ray devices, and they're certainly not the only film studio that will be producing discs for it. For Blu Ray to win the format war it'll need to keep all parties sweet, otherwise they'll jump ship quicker than Quick McQuick!
All partes will want to protect their content, especially with the speed of the internet nowadays.
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You are right they are the licence owner of the Blu Ray format, they issue the production license for hardware and software to whoever they want to ( and dont issue it also).

Just like they do ( with co-operation with Philips) for CD - or certainly used to when it was initally released over 20 years go ('85 I believe)

I think we have got off the subject slightly - my original comment was only that Sony had the choice whether to use it - being the license owner of blu-ray, as it is their sole invention no one else can actually tell them to use it.

Market forces - either internal or external to the Sony brand - may well coax them into using hdcp, but that will be all.

There may be technological reasons NOT to protect it also, ie as some new hdtv's arent hdcp compliant imagine how many potential lost sales there could be - ps3 dont want to cut their own throat
 
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BoomAM said:
If Sony want both versions to play all BR movies in HD mode, then it needs some sort of HDCP support. Be it over HDMI or over DVI.
Fact.
Sony are not the sole creators of BR, nor do they 'rule' over the HDCP process. Its not upto them, its upto the movie studios what protection they put on their disks.

The basic PS3 has a 'AV Multi-Out'. Theres nothing to realistically say that the Multi-Out wont also support an adaptor that allows a HDMI cable and/or DVI with HDCP support.
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Thats the offical line as of right now. Only WB have announced HDCP for afew movies. It will be mentioned on covers.

Kronologic said:
You and me both. It's just not in sonys nature more than anything.
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Its a proper worldwide launch on the same day. None of that Ms/Nintendo rubbish that took afew months for the key territories.
 
fdxd said:
Thats the offical line as of right now. Only WB have announced HDCP for afew movies. It will be mentioned on covers.

Its a proper worldwide launch on the same day. None of that Ms/Nintendo rubbish that took afew months for the key territories.
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Japan: November 11th
USA/EUR: November 17th

Same day NO.

Key territories to me would be USA/JAP/EUR unless you think differently. The xbox 360 was released in each territory within 11 days of each other if I recall correctly USA: 22nd Nov, EUR: 2nd Dec, JAP: ?? Thats not exactly a few months now is it
 
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JUMPURS said:
yeah but thats like 80's retro, gaming took a dive until the PS came along, hence why i said modern day gaming ;)
after the terribleness of the saturn Sega saturated the market too quickly i think, i think consumers lost a lot of faith, until Sony came along and made it popular and 'cool' again

[edit] ok i ment to say modern day gaming ;)
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Took a dive? How old are you mate?

The Sega Saturn and Playstation were released within a month of each other... I take it you never played a Sega Saturn - Sega had serious problems getting the 3rd party support because the Saturn was very difficult to program for to get the best performance from it. Games like Virtua Fighter 2 and Sega Rally didn't come along quick enough for Sega, and by the time they did people had pretty much already made their minds up.

Furthermore, the SNES was still going strong in 1994 (which is when the Japanese Playstation and Saturn releases were...) with releases such as Donkey Kong Country and Final Fantasy VI (3 in the USA). Final Fantasy VI is one of the greatest games of all time, along with the released of games like Chrono Trigger and Super Mario RPG following on... you're truly misguided if you think gaming took a dive.

Sony did indeed make it cool again - but that was through very clever marketing in conjunction with a nice machine and favourable third party terms. Remember - Sony was in the same position as Microsoft was in back in those days, entering an industry that it didn't know too much about - and look where they are now. The videogames part of Sony is propping up the rest of the company with the home electronics division coming under increasing pressure due to the company's failure to move to new technologies such as LCD and plasma quickly enough, plus with strong, quality competition from companies like Samsung, Sony's seemingly safe home electronics position has almost been usurped. That's rather irrelevent to the point at hand though... I've gone off on a tangent. :o
 
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