PS4. Again!

Kreeeee said:
They don't need to change the pad much. Just swap the stick and dpad around and make it ergonomic for those without feminine proportions!
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That's too much change! But maybe I'm a bit biased as I got the feminine proportions :p

I would actually like to see it made in a different material. Maybe more matt.
 
The Running Man said:
So what was it that made the change to break that software emulation that stops me from using PS2 on my slim?

My thought is that Ps4 =/ Cell therefore backward compatability is unlikely.
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IIRC the PAL PS3's didn't have an Emotion engine, but had the "Graphics Synthesiser"

The Synthesiser was removed from the slim PS3's
 
Twentyone said:
That's too much change! But maybe I'm a bit biased as I got the feminine proportions :p

I would actually like to see it made in a different material. Maybe more matt.
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The slim is about as matte as you can get. :D

It'd be nice if they did it in colours other than black. I wouldn't mind having the option of a white one on sale in Europe. I don't like gloss either, it's too much of a fingerprint and dust magnet.
 
Princey said:
To cut costs I guess due to licensing. I don't know.
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the original US/Japan PS3 had the emotion engine cpu + gpu for full hardware emulation, the launch EU PS3s lacked the emotion engine cpu but had the gpu for approximately 90% compatibility, the later fats + slims have neither.
 
My list of wants would include:

Backwards compatibility
A more ergonmic pad - proper triggers, analogue/dpad switch
Continued free PSN

I imagine Sony will sort the rest (ie: proper 1080 support etc)
 
The Running Man said:
Olis state is still pretty expensive, maybe they would choose a normal hdd but that has a SSD bit built into it? Like the Hybrid Seagate Momentus Xt drives

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3734/seagates-momentus-xt-review-finally-a-good-hybrid-hdd

giving capacity and performance. No way can sony afford to sell a console with an SSD that has a cost of $80-100 i wouldnt have thought.
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I thought we were talking in 2014.. By which time they could feasibly do a model with 100GB SSD and another SKU with a regular HDD.
 
Don't forget it's still 2-3 years away. It may not launch with an SSD but it sure as hell will be an accessory or even a new SKU.
 
Princey said:
Don't forget it's still 2-3 years away. It may not launch with an SSD but it sure as hell will be an accessory or even a new SKU.
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You're dreaming if you think nand prices will fall so dramatically in the next 2-3 years...hard disk drives will still be the norm then. With internet connections getting faster and games getting bigger storage space will be the number one priority, and this is console manufacturing after all - corners are cut wherever possible.

If people want to use a faster disk drive or even an ssd they can do so even this gen, but dont expect one as standard now or in the forseeable future.
 
skullman said:
You're dreaming if you think nand prices will fall so dramatically in the next 2-3 years...hard disk drives will still be the norm then. With internet connections getting faster and games getting bigger storage space will be the number one priority, and this is console manufacturing after all - corners are cut wherever possible.

If people want to use a faster disk drive or even an ssd they can do so even this gen, but dont expect one as standard now or in the forseeable future.
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3 Years is along time, And SSD prices are already dropping in comparison to what they were on release. I'm not saying they'll be used, I can see Consoles aiming for huge drives this time round, rather than Solid state. But that doesnt mean the 100GB wont be affordable in 3 years time. They're already more affordable now than they were.
 
they could be half the price they are now, and it still wouldnt make sense. My guess is they will ship with 7200rpm drives which already give a huge performance boost over the crap drives they use at the minute....and how long have 7200 drives been around?
 
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SSD is very viable for a nextgen console. You have to consider they are creating a new machine and will of course be ordering in bulk

I imagine a low capacity still relying on bluray for the bulk of storage long term

Also SSD is lighter and low power and zero heat all plus points to sell on
On manufacturing, cutting the hdd out is a great way to simplify the build for them

It'd be more surprising if they made no use of SSD technology. Once upon a time consoles were all about fast loading, If sony wants to stop losing money they to regain their premium edge

end of 2012 is when I'm expecting the nearest release, I guess it depends on if they think there is enough demand and sales waiting
 
What about some sort of hybrid hdd, rather than a full blown ssd if indeed the next-gen ps and xbox are out within two years.

What about an sli/crossfire gpu setup ?
 
If ocuk can sell a complete ssd drive for 45 quid then Sony can put one in their machine if they feel like it.
Maybe it wont be of use, ssd can go into ps3 but not much point apparently

Im looking forward to GT6 anyway :p

II. PS4 Development Starts

Perhaps hoping to redirect public conversation in a more positive direction, Sony CFO Masaru Kato dropped a hint in his company's earnings call that a successor to the PlayStation 3 is in the works.

He comments:

For the home equipment the PS3 still has a product life, but this is a platform business, so for the future platform – when we’ll be introducing what product I cannot discuss that – but our development work is already under way, so the costs are incurred there.

Sony emphasized in filings that the development costs and financial losses for the tsunami overshadowed losses from the data breaches -- although the possibility remains strong that Sony is seriously underestimating those costs.

Analysts believed that the successor -- broadly referred to as the "PlayStation 4" -- wouldn't come out for a couple years. But with Nintendo Comp., Ltd. (7974) reportedly preparing to announce the successor to its best-selling Wii console, code-named "Project Cafe", at E3 next month, Sony may find itself forced to bump up its production schedules.

Sony currently sits solidly in third place in the console race, behind market leader Nintendo and second place Microsoft Corp. (MSFT), makers of the Xbox 360.

Lost amid the recent hacking chaos has been an equal serious slowing in sales of Sony's PlayStation 3 console and PlayStation Portable handheld. While sales totals for these consoles' lifetimes are no flop (no Sega Saturn or Sega Dreamcast, that is), the slow in recent months have been troublesome.

It took Sony eight months to sell 8 million units of its motion-sensing accessory PlayStation Move. By contrast, Microsoft reached this mark in only two months with the Kinect.

Little is known about the next generation PlayStation. But it will likely incorporate motion-sensing technology deeply. And hopefully its networks will be better secured.
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WingZero30 said:
Yeah I somehow feel that Cell cpu still isn't being utilised 100% and there may be some room left to squeeze more performance out of it.
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depends on the other components too. you could have a 5billion ghz processor but if you only have 10mb of ram, how useful is it really in a gaming sense?

i would like to see a console with 2gb of ram, 1gb of video ram and a cell processor.
 
AGD said:
Next gen consoles will not have SSDs! There is simply no need for them and they would add to the cost.
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They would remove costs and incentivise customers to buy. Economies of scale 101 bro :cool:


some room left to squeeze more performance out of it.
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Theres a ton of room and there always will be. They'll move on long before maxing the chip out, the reason being its more cost effective to make the best use of time on the fastest chip available at that time.
If it was about squeezing the last drop out they'd be switching to machine code and algorithmic polygon modelling for everything but that'd take 5 years a game
 
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