PS4 and Xbox Rumours

Takes about 2 seconds :confused:

Takes longer than that for me, even when empty. The Recent one comes up almost instantly by comparison.

Dunno, it takes at least 20 seconds to log in and bring up the dashboard since the latest UI was installed.

I noticed this too, that was in my old place on 8Mbps ADSL with O2. Now I'm on 3Mbps with BT, the initial console sign-in is much quicker. Rather odd, but I got so used to the Xbox dash being chronically slow anyway.
 
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A couple of interesting things to point out are that the leak details the next Xbox will feature a something called the Move Engine, which I believe is a physics based chip for the console and that the console features a?High-fidelity Natural User Interface sensor.

Remember, everything posted below is considered a rumour until Microsoft confirm anything.


CPU:

- x64 Architecture
- 8 CPU cores running at 1.6 gigahertz (GHz)
- each CPU thread has its own 32 KB L1 instruction cache and 32 KB L1 data cache
- each module of four CPU cores has a 2 MB L2 cache resulting in a total of 4 MB of L2 cache
- each core has one fully independent hardware thread with no shared execution resources
- each hardware thread can issue two instructions per clock

GPU:

- custom D3D11.1 class 800-MHz graphics processor
- 12 shader cores providing a total of 768 threads
- each thread can perform one scalar multiplication and addition operation (MADD) per clock cycle
- at peak performance, the GPU can effectively issue 1.2 trillion floating-point operations per second

High-fidelity Natural User Interface (NUI) sensor is always present

Storage and Memory:

- 8 gigabyte (GB) of RAM DDR3 (68 GB/s)
- 32 MB of fast embedded SRAM (ESRAM) (102 GB/s)
- from the GPU?s perspective the bandwidths of system memory and ESRAM are parallel providing combined peak bandwidth of 170 GB/sec.
- Hard drive is always present
- 50 GB 6x Blu-ray Disc drive

Networking:

- Gigabit Ethernet
- Wi-Fi and Wi-Fi Direct

Hardware Accelerators:

- Move engines
- Image, video, and audio codecs
- Kinect multichannel echo cancellation (MEC) hardware
- Cryptography engines for encryption and decryption, and hashing
 
Can't wait for the next gen. Although I haven't picked up a wii u yet I will get the ps4 and next Xbox on release I think.
 
Well I've been a big 360 fan this generation but 1.8 vs 1.2 terraflops sounds like a big Playstation advantage. Of course there's still a lot to consider loyalty programs, back compatibility, controllers, launch window and of course exclusive game franchises.

Still if I was a Sony man id be quietly optimistic.
 
This is an interesting report :

"You may have noticed that there are lots of rumours flying about regarding next-gen consoles. No one knows definitely when Microsoft and Sony will unveil their successors to the current Xbox and PlayStation, but Sony CEO Kazuo Hirai has said that it will let Microsoft make the first move. In the Business section of The Times today, Hirai said, "Why go first, when your competitors can look at your specifications and come up with something better?"

The last part makes no sense really, what possible "specs" could they change.. like mmm they got a better GPU we better get another.. surely at this stage if a release is going to happen this year it's going to be too late to actually change the specs. And if they are willing to do that then they obviously don't mind being a fair bit behind in the release again which is something they didn't want to happen this time.
 
I've noticed a big slowdown in logging on to the 360 as per some of the comments above.

I've had both consoles since just after launch and am not particularly affiliated to either.
Up until say 6 months ago my 360 got far more use than the PS3.
I have to say I have found myself drawn more to the PS3 recently though.
The 360 UI is a mess for me now. I struggle to find things (xmas special offers as an example) the whole experience feels less than stellar.
The PS3 interface remains (relatively) elegant IMO. PS+ is fantastic and I'm surprised MS haven't countered with an offering of their own.

I'm looking forward to the new generation and I think it is definitely time for a refresh.
As for backwards compatibility I REALLY hope they both manage to work it into the new consoles. It would be fantastic to log in with your XBL/PSN profiles and have your back catalogue of Purchased XBLA and PSN games waiting and ready for use.
I know myself well enough to know that it would not be a deal breaker (I'll get the new consoles anyway almost certainly) but it would be a big disappointment if BC is not included.

I think this gen to next is different from PS2/XBOX TO PS3/360 due to the integrated nature of the consoles with your profiles and the fact that purchased games are tied to these.
When I got the 360 and PS3 I rarely (if ever) played an old gen game, but this time I have loads of unplayed or unfinished games that I still want to get to. I don't think the technical leap will be as big this time either so the differences won't be as noticeable.
I also expect my games to 'just be there' integrated in my profile, it would be annoying to have to keep switching back to the old console to play an XBLA game for example.

I think BC is particularly important for PS4 due to the PS+ catalogues people will have built up, although as mentioned by someone else I think it's the least likely due to the complexities of Cell, but hopefully they'll surprise us...
 
I've noticed a big slowdown in logging on to the 360 as per some of the comments above.

I've had both consoles since just after launch and am not particularly affiliated to either.
Up until say 6 months ago my 360 got far more use than the PS3.
I have to say I have found myself drawn more to the PS3 recently though.
The 360 UI is a mess for me now. I struggle to find things (xmas special offers as an example) the whole experience feels less than stellar.
The PS3 interface remains (relatively) elegant IMO. PS+ is fantastic and I'm surprised MS haven't countered with an offering of their own.

I'm looking forward to the new generation and I think it is definitely time for a refresh.
As for backwards compatibility I REALLY hope they both manage to work it into the new consoles. It would be fantastic to log in with your XBL/PSN profiles and have your back catalogue of Purchased XBLA and PSN games waiting and ready for use.
I know myself well enough to know that it would not be a deal breaker (I'll get the new consoles anyway almost certainly) but it would be a big disappointment if BC is not included.

I think this gen to next is different from PS2/XBOX TO PS3/360 due to the integrated nature of the consoles with your profiles and the fact that purchased games are tied to these.
When I got the 360 and PS3 I rarely (if ever) played an old gen game, but this time I have loads of unplayed or unfinished games that I still want to get to. I don't think the technical leap will be as big this time either so the differences won't be as noticeable.
I also expect my games to 'just be there' integrated in my profile, it would be annoying to have to keep switching back to the old console to play an XBLA game for example.

I think BC is particularly important for PS4 due to the PS+ catalogues people will have built up, although as mentioned by someone else I think it's the least likely due to the complexities of Cell, but hopefully they'll surprise us...

I'd put good money on Sony introducing BC in the from of streaming to the PS4. They acquired Gaikai (the streaming service ala OnLive) a short while ago :)
 
I thought there was rumour xbox may ditch Xbox Gold and use the playstation approach with paying customers gaining even more benefit. Remember in 2005 and even 2002 when the xbox first came out...online gaming via console wasn't huge and avalible everywhere. Times have changed where most services are free..

Thats my two cents anyway
 
Both consoles offer...nothing substantial other than Microsofts exclusivity tactics, which will likely depend on Sony not bothering with it, integrated Motion controls, Xbox finally having a bluray format and nice sparkly, probably pointless screens on the controllers (my opinion for now, may change).

With the demographics of young folk out of work recently, they just lost buyers before it even begins, then there is the casual aspect (and I suppose children fits in here more now than ever) not giving a damn and enjoying easy to use, simple games on tablet computers, which if you take the iPad mini cost of ~$329 it has to compete if it wants that crowd...of course not everyone goes for iPads, most Tablets are dirt cheap, which makes it even worse.

It really depends on marketing, games in the first few month or two and cost.

Marketing, I dont think either company will miss much of a step here, especially Microsoft.

Games, usual first party list and perhaps up-ported games (not really relevant if you already own the games anyway), doubt it will really make people scream with joy.

Cost, the deal breaker, if it is not desiring the casual market, there is a bit of wriggle room, but not much, anything over $400 is a no-no, which is why they have seemingly been hesitant with the design specs, if like Microsoft who seem hellbent on appealing to everyone everywhere, then they have a problem because not only do Casual gamers already have a better alternative, the core gamer will likely not enjoy this, especially if their games are changed/castrated for it.

On the game development side of things, how many developers died at the hands of overzealous publishers this generation?

It will only get worse, i imagine, I am waiting for Biowares dissection personally.

If i do get a console, it will likely be from Sony, Microsoft has been nothing but a pain in the ass since Ballmer became CEO, I don't plan on supporting that.

Plus Japan needs money. :p
 
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