PS4 and Xbox Rumours

Gedalia_w · 22 Jan 2013 at 12:10

ic1male said:
Red Porsche said a few posts above that this is where the Gaikai purchase Sony made might come in. They could stream PS3 games over the net.

That's a very expensive and complicated venture just to allow people to play old games that they are not making money off of, instead of buying new PS4 games.

If that happens, it's certainly not going to be free, and how are you going to be able to verify that you own the game for it to then allow you to stream it?

It doesn't make any kind of business sense to do this, unless as I said, they charge you a fair amount of money for it. But then, who is going to pay to play games they already own?

StriderX · 22 Jan 2013 at 12:12

Gedalia_w said:
That's a very expensive and complicated venture just to allow people to play old games that they are not making money off of, instead of buying new PS4 games.

If that happens, it's certainly not going to be free, and how are you going to be able to verify that you own the game for it to then allow you to stream it?

It doesn't make any kind of business sense to do this, unless as I said, they charge you a fair amount of money for it. But then, who is going to pay to play games they already own?

Or could play on an emulator with vastly superior Image quality and no Aliasing...

panyan · 22 Jan 2013 at 12:12

skippi90 said:
Will they both be shiny?

Im glad to see youve got your priorities sorted

sc(+)pe · 22 Jan 2013 at 12:14

StriderX said:
Or could play on an emulator with vastly superior Image quality and no Aliasing...

You show me a good PS3 emulator by the time the PS4 launches and you have a point.

Gedalia_w · 22 Jan 2013 at 12:18

StriderX said:
Or could play on an emulator with vastly superior Image quality and no Aliasing...

You're missing the point. They are releasing a new console. Why would they go to all this effort just so you can play your old games?

How many people really carried over xbox1 or PS2 games onto their new consoles for any significant amount of time? A fraction of their paying customers.

I will happily eat my hat if I'm wrong, but it just doesn't make sense to think that Sony will create an entirely new, complicated and expensive to run system just so that a small proportion of their customers can play their old games.

Just keep your existing PS3 under the TV, and job done!

StriderX · 22 Jan 2013 at 12:25

sc(+)pe said:
You show me a good PS3 emulator by the time the PS4 launches and you have a point.

Red Porsche · 22 Jan 2013 at 13:58

Sorry, double post. Tried editing but ended up quoting my original post!

Red Porsche · 22 Jan 2013 at 14:04

IMO its not "just to allow people to play old games that they are not making money off of" its letting people plays games they already own and keeping those customers. I think most people would buy the new console to buy the new games anyway.

I could see them introducing it into a Netflix type service.

EDIT

I don't think Sony would drop that much money on a technology just to allow people to stream old games. I think they have long term plans to introduce more games to a streaming-only service so they and the developers can cut out the retail middle men (and increase profits) just like itunes did with music. But until 99% of people who buy games have a good enough (or even an internet connection) then this sort of service won't replace discs for a while. Or I could just be talking a load of waffle!

Fr0dders · 22 Jan 2013 at 14:10

MOOGLEYS said:
Hardware Spec

I've seen that rumour before about 8 CPU cores, it was also mentioned as one of many possible alternatives in the initial design brief document from a few years ago that got leaked (think the doc was from 2011)

Doubt that one will come to fruition personally.

Begbie · 22 Jan 2013 at 14:40

I hope they get the designs right too, I want something that will look good more like a HTPC than a console especially seen as they will certainly be aiming it like this.

Nice clean lines, in brushed aluminium would be amazing.

ikillbears · 22 Jan 2013 at 15:05

Hostile17 said:
Well I've been a big 360 fan this generation but 1.8 vs 1.2 terraflops sounds like a big Playstation advantage. Of course there's still a lot to consider loyalty programs, back compatibility, controllers, launch window and of course exclusive game franchises.

Still if I was a Sony man id be quietly optimistic.

Xbox 360 has 77 GFLOPS
PS3 230 GFLOPS.

just matters what they do with it

Calabi · 22 Jan 2013 at 17:20

... and how easy it is to program for.

If sony have over engineered the playstation again they could be in a lot of trouble.

ic1male · 22 Jan 2013 at 17:24

Calabi said:
... and how easy it is to program for.

If sony have over engineered the playstation again they could be in a lot of trouble.

It's supposed to be x86-64 architecture so there will be no funny business this time around.

XeNoN89 · 22 Jan 2013 at 20:13

zhx said:
Xbox 360 has 77 GFLOPS
PS3 230 GFLOPS.

just matters what they do with it

Ps3 and 360 used different architectures though, the ps4 and 720 are using a gpu from the same family, so the flops will be calculated the same

ThestigGT999 · 23 Jan 2013 at 11:42

PS4 and Xbox 720 well with hardware from AMD - chip manufacturer provides outlook for 2013

CliffyBiro · 23 Jan 2013 at 17:38

http://kotaku.com/5977849/the-plays...ncy-user-accounts-and-impressive-specs-so-far

8GB system memory, 2.2GB video memory
4x Dual-Core AMD64 "Bulldozer" CPU, AMD R10xx Liverpool GPU
New controller features touch pad
Can link PSN accounts to controllers, allowing for multiple logins.

K1LLSW1TCH · 23 Jan 2013 at 17:39

I don't see the benefit of having a screen on the pad. I don't even like using the touch screen on my phone.

ic1male · 23 Jan 2013 at 17:41

Link a PSN account to a controller? I hope this means they've copied Microsoft's Xbox login system as that is pretty much perfect. It's silly having to have a user login to get to the XMB and then another one for PSN.

CliffyBiro · 23 Jan 2013 at 17:41

K1LLSW1TCH said:
I don't see the benefit of having a screen on the pad. I don't even like using the touch screen on my phone.

I think the use of 'pad' rather than 'screen' suggests it'll be similar to the rear side of the PS Vita. So the middle area at the back would allow for gestures with your finger tips perhaps?

K1LLSW1TCH · 23 Jan 2013 at 17:43

skippi90 said:
I think the use of 'pad' rather than 'screen' suggests it'll be similar to the rear side of the PS Vita. So the middle area at the back would allow for gestures with your finger tips perhaps?

Hmm, yeah I misread that. Still, I find the touchpad on the back of the Vita utterly useless as well. So far I haven't played a single game that utilizes it in a decent way, it just seems to be a substitute for something that could be done just as easily and quickly as a button press or using the touchscreen.