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PS4 and Xbox Rumours
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Ive had the same thoughts about the Xbox - I dont believe it uses DDR3, the payoff of having more RAM but much slower just doesnt make sense unless they need it for additional background services that need to run while gaming. Would MS 'handicap' the Xbox to push the Windows platform, its a lovely joined up idea with far too many knots in it...
The problem with the PS4 for all intents and purposes is Sony, if they avoid over engineering the software or how to code for it, it at least gives developers something worth working with.
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The problem with the PS4 for all intents and purposes is Sony, if they avoid over engineering the software or how to code for it, it at least gives developers something worth working with.
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All this talk of resolutions and what can do what with which...
Uncharted was 720p I believe? And it looked better to me than stuff running in 1080p on my pc. Or certainly no worse.
I don't think resolution is the be all and end all, it's how good the developers are at utilising the tools/technology available to them.
I bet there'll be some good looking games and some awful looking games on next gen.
Uncharted was 720p I believe? And it looked better to me than stuff running in 1080p on my pc. Or certainly no worse.
I don't think resolution is the be all and end all, it's how good the developers are at utilising the tools/technology available to them.
I bet there'll be some good looking games and some awful looking games on next gen.
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I just wanna see little improvements, pic related. Left is prob running on the PS3 Development PC, whereas right is actual PS3 when the game launched.
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Exactly this, I havent seen anything as impressive on PC as half the games that shine on console. Saying that, I'm not saying they couldnt run on PC, nor am I saying if they came to PC that they wouldnt look significantly better! What I am saying is, so far the impressive and enjoyable games for me have been on console!
Luckily I have a PC for the odd game that does take my fancy, but not many do.
I dont mind how the games come next gen, as long as they do. And obviously we'll see improvement in image quality, I'll take what we get.
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That's an interesting piece. I feel I'm being dragged into the hype machine though and PS4 won't turn out to be as amazing as everyone is starting to think it will be.
I just wanna see little improvements, pic related. Left is prob running on the PS3 Development PC, whereas right is actual PS3 when the game launched.
Not sure I trust that. I am able to see textures like his shirt and even a realistic look on his leather holster, etc. it's these little things in uncharted that impress me so I'm suspicious of that 'comparison'.
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Looking forward to the next gen consoles, in fact cant wait. Really need to stop reading all the rumors!! Hope Sony can pull it off, self confessed Sony fan boy, but will 99% buy both next gen consoles as both have some quality exclusives.
Not sure how great of an idea, but was thinking it would be great if Sony included expandable hardware in their next console. Like adding the option for a slot in GFX down the line for people who need it or want it for 4k games.
If the target is 1080p @ 60 FPS on a single GPU, then 4K @ 30 FPS with 2x GPU makes sense? Plus that way wont add to the cost of the base hardware and only people with 4k TV's have the option on splashing out what a couple of hundred pounds or less for 4k compatibility.
Not sure how great of an idea, but was thinking it would be great if Sony included expandable hardware in their next console. Like adding the option for a slot in GFX down the line for people who need it or want it for 4k games.
If the target is 1080p @ 60 FPS on a single GPU, then 4K @ 30 FPS with 2x GPU makes sense? Plus that way wont add to the cost of the base hardware and only people with 4k TV's have the option on splashing out what a couple of hundred pounds or less for 4k compatibility.
Wouldn't work. You can't just add another GPU and expect performance to automatically double, not to mention the issues involved in making the entire console facilitate the addition of another GPU in the first place.
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It kind of does that in PC's though? sli / crossfire
It wouldn't be the first time consoles how allowed upgrades, i'm sure some did it with ram years ago.
+ this way your are only doing it to allow for resolution increase, so the coding for the game wont have to be altered that much?
It doesn't necessarily double performance though, it's dependent on the game, which then means developers are having to take into account an additional hardware configuration. For the tiny number of people who are actually going to be using 4k, it wouldn't make financial sense.
THe N64 had the memory upgrade pack yes, but slotting a memory pack in is a bit different to installing an additional GPU which would come with cooling requirements etc.
THe N64 had the memory upgrade pack yes, but slotting a memory pack in is a bit different to installing an additional GPU which would come with cooling requirements etc.
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Would be cool if it could be done, you could do the coding off the bat so that its scaleable up to 4K. Console will be around for upto 10yrs so they need to think ahead.
I dont think the hardware would be much issue, simply leaving an open port say at side of console. Slot in GPU with its own built in cooling, similar to a PC GPU of sort.
With regarding of doubling of performance wouldnt that be far more achievable on a console than on a pc, as games are coded for it specifically anyway?
Fantastic idea - not
. 4k resolution using textures/assets built for 720p/1080p (and unlikely to be all at that resolution anyway).Its a wonder why developers just havent re-released games from the last generation in this generation as their more powerful CPU/GPUs would magically just up the resolution to make them look brillant. I knew not being able to easily make MGS into HD was just a lie! Its obviously easy
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Fantastic idea - not
Its a wonder why developers just havent re-released games from the last generation in this generation as their more powerful CPU/GPUs would magically just up the resolution to make them look brillant. I knew not being able to easily make MGS into HD was just a lie! Its obviously easy
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They could make the textures for 4k then ingame options to downgrade them much like PC games?
BF3 came with hi-res textures I am sure you could install, same thing just working in reverse?
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Fantastic idea - not
Its a wonder why developers just havent re-released games from the last generation in this generation as their more powerful CPU/GPUs would magically just up the resolution to make them look brillant. I knew not being able to easily make MGS into HD was just a lie! Its obviously easy
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Never said it was a great idea
Just would be cool if they could somehow future proof consoles, 4K is coming soon and at an affordable price. Would be a shame being stuck on 1080p for the next 10 years.
So how does it work on PC's, in some games adding a 2nd card in SLI/crossfire almost doubles the performance. So many still game at 1680 x 1050, yet some of us game at 2560 x 1600/1440, yet the texture etc scale up fine?
They could in theory, just very unlikely to expend that extra time and effort in making those kind of assets in the hope of many years later they would be useful within the disc. Youd also add extra load on the GPU making the texture smaller unless you are saying you would have duplicated assets, one at HD and one at 4K which should be possible now we have BD across the board.
I doubt publishers would pay for that kind of forward thinking, especially when it be quite easy to hold those assets back and re-release the game with a 4K at the end. It happens today as the assets built are always higher quality than whats put on the disc anyway - just archived. Guess its similar to film remastering, but as with this there is some effort involved, it just doesnt materalise for 'free'.
No doubt with the resurgence of HD collections it could be something on their radar, I just dont see why they wouldnt monopolise it (hell if its Capcom it be on disc and chargeable DLC years down the line
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They could in theory, just very unlikely to expend that extra time and effort in making those kind of assets in the hope of many years later they would be useful within the disc. Youd also add extra load on the GPU making the texture smaller unless you are saying you would have duplicated assets, one at HD and one at 4K which should be possible now we have BD across the board.
I doubt publishers would pay for that kind of forward thinking, especially when it be quite easy to hold those assets back and re-release the game with a 4K at the end. It happens today as the assets built are always higher quality than whats put on the disc anyway - just archived. Guess its similar to film remastering, but as with this there is some effort involved, it just doesnt materalise for 'free'.
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I don't think anyone is saying release games to have 4k features and textures when they are not achievable on the console, just that if in the future you could upgrade the console to have these features then developers could start using them.
The textures scale but obviously you lose detail just like when you zoom into a photo, unlike CSI you cant recreate that detail. Im sure there are techniques to fake that additional detail...
4k as a technology is coming, 4K as a consumer product is way off, just look at the lag in moving to HD as an example. Bleeding edge euthasists demands do not make a profit and when it comes to consoles it never ever will. The PC model just is far different...
Sorry youre right, not sure how I picked that up as an inference. In all honesty my opinion is that consoles will never be upgradeable as we understand them right now, thats a feature of PCs and a nice defining difference between those platforms. I think its useful that consoles pick up some features from PCs (like web browsers) but I dont think the hardware model we are used to should change. Perhaps thats just my irksome viewpoint that if Game A has 2 LODs then it spilts the userbase to who can and cant afford that upgrade within that single platform, I just think that just a bit of a nightmare to market effectively. People in general, when you get down to it, dont want flexibility, but a similar experience...
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The textures scale but obviously you lose detail just like when you zoom into a photo, unlike CSI you cant recreate that detail. Im sure there are techniques to fake that additional detail...
4k as a technology is coming, 4K as a consumer product is way off, just look at the lag in moving to HD as an example. Bleeding edge euthasists demands do not make a profit and when it comes to consoles it never ever will. The PC model just far different...
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I don't think it is that far off, let's say the ps4/Xbox get released 2014, Sony have stated that they are to start producing affordable sets this year, although they have been saying that for the last couple of years. Lets just say by 2016 well start seeing affordable 4k sets. With the ps4 and Xbox looking to last into and beyond 2020, 4k will be common place by then. Bluray was spoken of similar when the ps3 came out and it's now a common tech.
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