Soldato
They're already screwing hardcore gamers. Xbox is becoming less and less proper game orientated.
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They're already screwing hardcore gamers. Xbox is becoming less and less proper game orientated.
Caporegime
Its the story of gaming in general.
Gone are the days of Sonic The Hedgehog where you had no saves, had 3 lives and if you lost all your 3 lives had to restart the entire game from the beginning unless you had a continue.
You theoretically could play an entire day, get to the second to last level, die and have to restart the entire thing all over again.
And some of the end of level bosses where extremely hard, the game was genuinely challenging.
But in today's gaming market, they can't afford to make challenging games in case the consumer gets bored with the game and doesn't buy any of the DLC or the season pass.
As a result COD has to be accessible to all, enabling even the least skilled gamer to get kills, requiring little to no skill at all. Likewise with Battlefield, removing the ability to fly the AC-130 to ensure that everybody gets a good experience because you can't trust newb idiot 13 year olds to actually fly it properly.
Gaming in general is getting dumbed down
Gone are the days of Sonic The Hedgehog where you had no saves, had 3 lives and if you lost all your 3 lives had to restart the entire game from the beginning unless you had a continue.
You theoretically could play an entire day, get to the second to last level, die and have to restart the entire thing all over again.
And some of the end of level bosses where extremely hard, the game was genuinely challenging.
But in today's gaming market, they can't afford to make challenging games in case the consumer gets bored with the game and doesn't buy any of the DLC or the season pass.
As a result COD has to be accessible to all, enabling even the least skilled gamer to get kills, requiring little to no skill at all. Likewise with Battlefield, removing the ability to fly the AC-130 to ensure that everybody gets a good experience because you can't trust newb idiot 13 year olds to actually fly it properly.
Gaming in general is getting dumbed down
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Caporegime
Exactly
Nobody would dare make a game that difficult any more in case the casual "play a round of fifa after going to the pub" lot got bored.
Nobody would dare make a game that difficult any more in case the casual "play a round of fifa after going to the pub" lot got bored.
Caporegime
Explain Dark Souls then?
Caporegime
If you can think it, more likely it will be on it (social media/communications for sure) - you need to stop thinking of a console that just does games or a single task and consider it more like a media entertainment system that can game. On a PC you can easily recitify that memory usage, doubt youll have that same flexibility on a console...
4Gb isnt probably isnt too little, but its not like 1080p textures wont eat into 1Gb of that let alone all the other effects on top of that. When you think like that 4Gb isnt that much really...
ps3ud0
Except....we already have that. Sure they'll be better at it (I hope) but consoles already do all these things, with an 8th (or 16th for PS3?) of the RAM people are claiming isn't enough.
But we dont, nothing like whats expected - honestly I dont see how you cant grasp the difference. To dull it down what we have now is Apples iOS3 without the multitasking or the centralised notification centre, far more likely to find an OS thats much more Web 2.0 (sorry but I hate this term, but it vaguely gives an idea of what Im trying to purvey) and most likely third party apps authorised via MS/Sony.
ps3ud0
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The only reason games were notoriously difficult back then were because of the limitations of the console. people who are good at these games can beat most of them in less than an hour and as such the difficulty was there to artificially extend the length of the game.
These limitations aren't a problem these days so they make their games more accessible to allow more people to play and enjoy their games and many have different difficulty settings to cater to the challenge you want from the game, playing a CoD game on veteran is actually quite a challenge.
Caporegime
How about because you're just pulling fantasy statements out of the air without backing them up? Why isn't 5Gb excluding the operating system enough?
You mean that game that sold a fraction of the total compared to more mainstream titles?
Difficult games will always have their place, however they will never be at the forefront of gaming again like they used to be in the 2D era.
Stop changing the goalposts - you mentioned 4Gb of RAM as per the supposedly PS4 specs (3Gb usable).
I do agree with your sentiment that it does seem fantastical, but ultimately a lot of these features will gobble up RAM like noones business. You just have to look at how smartphones have progressed to realise that. Just having proper multitasking adds a massive demand to RAM requirements.
ps3ud0
You mean that game that sold a fraction of the total compared to more mainstream titles?
Difficult games will always have their place, however they will never be at the forefront of gaming again like they used to be in the 2D era.
Most of the best selling games from the NES and SNES era were either Mario, Zelda or Dragon Warrior games in the case of Japan which aren't that much different difficulty wise compared to their newest iterations with the exception of Zelda 2.
Caporegime
Stop changing the goalposts - you mentioned 4Gb of RAM as per the supposedly PS4 specs (3Gb usable).
I do agree with your sentiment that it does seem fantastical, but ultimately a lot of these features will gobble up RAM like noones business. You just have to look at how smartphones have progressed to realise that. Just having proper multitasking adds a massive demand to RAM requirements.
ps3ud0
Well my main interest is the next MS console but both are still probably enough. Smartphones have increased their RAM for one reason, so they can keep selling the top end phones. There is barely any noticeable difference between a 1Gb phone and a 2Gb phone. It's just a selling point. Same way we'll start seeing 8 core processors as the selling point soon. Also you're far more likely to multitask on a smartphone than on a console.
Soldato
PS4 RAM is GDDR 5 vs xbox 720's DDR 3
so even if PS4 has less ram, it's faster therefore having higher bandwidth
so even if PS4 has less ram, it's faster therefore having higher bandwidth
Caporegime
Where have you got that tidbit from?
Well my argument was based on the thread of posts we were discussing, the first where you asked about 4Gb RAM being enough. Fair point regards the one-upmanship, but unlike smartphones or processors those particular individual products arent expected to deal with a 5+ product life, before being replaced with a superior product, like these consoles will.
I dont disagree with the base point that 4Gb doesnt sound too little, but thats on the basis of what consoles do now, I dont think any of us really grasp how that will change, but however it does, RAM bandwidth/quantity definitely will be the first bottleneck.
Dont forget that the Xbox will possibly have a small amount of eSRAM too aswell though - I assume to use as graphics cache
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Soldato
So when are these due out in Europe? End of the year ?
Caporegime
Yeah xmas this year seems likely.
Soldato
I hope it's this year. Next year would be rubbish really.
