PS4 and Xbox Rumours
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Considering the relatively cheap price of RAM, it'd be silly not to put a decent amount in at least.
I had 8GB RAM on my PC like 4 years ago.
Caporegime
I know someone who has been working with the new Xbox
Spill!
Really nothing to say that has not already been mentioned. I have tried to quiz him but he is quite shady with it. I imagine he thinks if he told me I would post it all on a forum for the world to see, which tbh I would
Soldato
Surprised he even mentioned he was working on it, my cousin couldnt mention he was working on 360 stuff when he was at Rare prior to release info. As for the memory difference other rumours have the 360 using ddr3 for its 8GB and the PS4 using 4Gb of GDDR5. Perhaps speed and bandwidth may equalise the difference in capacity?
Caporegime
I don't understand. How can a faster speed of memory be the same as slower but more memory? Surely things need to fit in memory in the first place? If the PS4 has 3GB and Xbox 720 has 5GB then the PS4 is going to be missing stuff?
I'm playing my 360 more than my ps3's atm, but as long as multi platform games are the same and the PSN has better integration, I.e like Xbox live I will go with the ps4 next gen as apart from forza the 360 exclusives are very average IMO. Also I have no interest in kinect or smartglass etc.
Soldato
Well not knowing clock speeds for each type top end dd3
PC3-24000 DDR3 SDRAM DDR3-3000 3.0 GT/s 192 Gbit/s 24 GB/s
and top end Gddr5
64 lanes GDDR5 1500 MHz 6 GT/s 384 Gbit/s 48 GB/s
So looks like it can carry the same amount of info in the same time, if only 3Gb is required than Gddr5 would benfit
Watch yourself there smalls - that makes the assumption of identical lanes/bus width, which is going to be unlikely on top of the clock speeds mentioned.
Also we dont really have the full picture as surely DDR3 is 'general RAM' so normally for used for CPU/APU usage while GDDR5 is built for GPUs. Its not like GDDR hasnt been around for years so I just cant see the Xbox not using it. Perhaps Ive missed something here or will the GPU and APU share that RAM?
ps3ud0
Also we dont really have the full picture as surely DDR3 is 'general RAM' so normally for used for CPU/APU usage while GDDR5 is built for GPUs. Its not like GDDR hasnt been around for years so I just cant see the Xbox not using it. Perhaps Ive missed something here or will the GPU and APU share that RAM?
All well and good for the individual but for Sony/MS it affects the cost price and a few dollars saved here or there per unit is massive, so theyll go for the minimum they think they can get away with.
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Soldato
Watch yourself there smalls - that makes the assumption of identical lanes/bus width, which is going to be unlikely on top of the clock speeds mentioned.
Also we dont really have the full picture as surely DDR3 is 'general RAM' so normally for used for CPU/APU usage while GDDR5 is built for GPUs. Its not like GDDR hasnt been around for years so I just cant see the Xbox not using it. Perhaps Ive missed something here or will the GPU and APU share that RAM?
ps3ud0
Thats what i said, it could in theory not be a handicap but its still anyones guess, but in the last 3 gens the most power doesnt mean the better games or the most sucess. Hurry up and tell us !!
Soldato
specs I posted on the first page
Theres a good chance it could be 4x as fast though - very unlikely to be as fast, just on the basis I doubt theyll stick a 64bit memory bus in there, when something like 256bit is more the norm for GDDR5 using GPU.
ps3ud0
All well and good for the individual but for Sony/MS it affects the cost price and a few dollars saved here or there per unit is massive, so theyll go for the minimum they think they can get away with.
ps3ud0
Well that's where it's different as they will have a very large contract for buying the RAM in massive quantities for the millions of consoles they will be pumping out.
They will be getting the memory straight from the manufacturer at very preferable rates. The cost difference for them to buy 8GB of RAM over 4GB will be so negligible that it doesn't make much sense outside of EXTREME scrimping.
But we know Sony don't tend to do that with their new console releases, what with the PS3 being sold at a loss for the first few years.
But it wont be negligible difference, it ultimately will have an impact and even if thats a small amount its worth considering (its still gonna amount to dollars). Think of it this way MS wouldnt in hindsight put a better solution than their x-clamps, considering its just a bit of metal it would have been a few pennys difference. Economies of scale is all well and good, but they will still err on what they can get away with rather than be generous with their specs - ever heard of a console games developer not complaining about how they have to get over constraints to get stuff done?!? Or an even simpler example, think its weird why Sony dont throw in a free HDMI cable and MS removed it from their products?
You do realise its the norm to release a console at a loss? I think only the Wiis the exception in recent years...
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Soldato
Don't know if this has been posted or not
Xbox 720 and PlayStation 4 Secrets Allegedly Leaked to Nvidia by Former AMD Executives
Xbox 720 and PlayStation 4 Secrets Allegedly Leaked to Nvidia by Former AMD Executives
Love how people are criticising alleged specs already and feeling screwed?!. Because we all know better than the hardware engineers at MS and Sony, don't we?
I'm sure they're reading this now and thinking "dayyyyum, those folk on OcUK are right - back to the drawing board!"
I'm sure they're reading this now and thinking "dayyyyum, those folk on OcUK are right - back to the drawing board!"
Soldato
I'm with the 4GB being enough crowd on this. Regardless of what else a console is running, we all know about memory management right?
When a game launches there's a good chance it will exit everything but bare minimum, as they do now. And when you try and launch something else from within a game, it will exit that game, like it does now.
Anyone that thinks a console will let you just keep opening tasks and use up RAM, while gaming....Well I dont really understand why you would think they would do that all of a sudden, consider its never been done before!
And I most definitely doubt they will have an OS on a console with a need for 1GB RAM :\
The whole idea of a console is gaming first!! You guy talking about media hubs, yeah they will be. No doubt, but that will always be secondary. They're for games! And games consoles will always have an OS allowing for max memory allocation to the game. And the OS is fine tuned during its life to use less and less memory standard. Like the PS3's OS, its memory requirements are much smaller than when first released.
When a game launches there's a good chance it will exit everything but bare minimum, as they do now. And when you try and launch something else from within a game, it will exit that game, like it does now.
Anyone that thinks a console will let you just keep opening tasks and use up RAM, while gaming....Well I dont really understand why you would think they would do that all of a sudden, consider its never been done before!
And I most definitely doubt they will have an OS on a console with a need for 1GB RAM :\
The whole idea of a console is gaming first!! You guy talking about media hubs, yeah they will be. No doubt, but that will always be secondary. They're for games! And games consoles will always have an OS allowing for max memory allocation to the game. And the OS is fine tuned during its life to use less and less memory standard. Like the PS3's OS, its memory requirements are much smaller than when first released.
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Well, both the PS3 and the 360 both introduced lots of things that had never been done before. And the Xbox and PS2 before them. I can fully see MS wanting to allow you to pause a game to answer a Skype call. What about all the new advertising features they would love to have (in game dynamic advertising) they'd need a few backgroud tasks running to manage this. Why not be able to pause the game and goto the dash? I have to admit, it could be handy. I'm not sure why you think "it's never been done before" means "it will never be done". Thank God it's not how the rest of the world thinks!
Are you kidding? OS doesn't simply mean the 'OS', it means the OS and all the background apps it requires to be running to give you the Xbox/PS experience. Besides, 3GB reserved doesn't mean it's going to be all in use most of the time (probably very rarely) but it means it is not available to games since the OS has said "Well, he might want to have a Skype, while browsing the dash, while a movie is paused over the top of his paused game".
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Obviously, this is all speculation. But MS have recently come out (a few times I think) and said that the largest proportion of time on Xbox Live is spent watching movies, Skyping, listening to music and NOT gaming! What they have here is a smart box in front of the TV. Believe it or not, gamers are just not the biggest market - it's everyone else. If you really believe that either MS or Sony are primarily focusing on gamers, I think you're out of touch. We drove this, but now they've got the boxes under the TVs, there are much bigger revenues to chase after than games. The next generation ARE multi-media boxes primarily. Of course they are going to be gamer boxes and make the next gen look awesome, they still need us to purchase them over the current not-quite-there consoles. Of course games are still a market too (and a big one) - so they don't want to lose that.
Of course, I would rather the gaming had all the power available, but at the same time, I do use the 360 for movie watching. I am interested in some of the things the media hub will offer, so I do want the next gen to be a step in that 'overall solution' direction. Just a shame they can't whack more power in there
32Gb minimum I say... with dual quad cores. Obviously