Quest 2, Which WiFi6 Router?

CrackDown · 15 Oct 2020 at 14:32

andybird123 said:
Yes, you buy VD on the quest app store, then side quest to install the patch then within the VD menu you launch games - yes Minecraft does work via VD

Google virtual desktop quest and there are loads of simple guides to set it up

Sorry, a bit of confusion here. I have VD already set up, running Steam VR games fine wirelessly over a TP-Link AX6000 router. Though, my latency when playing games fluctuates around 30-70. I was confused when melmac said he/she was getting 20ms, but that was just in Oculus games, but didn't realise that Oculus's own PC app worked like Steam. I can't get Minecraft to work from that by the way, it just comes up with an error saying "Oculus Rift not detected"

My set up is PC > connected to wifi downstairs. PC > connected to Wifi 6 router in bedroom, running only Wifi 6 with no other devices. Quest 2 connected to router via wifi.

I'm currently having an issue where my PC wifi will cut off every now and then, and I was wondering if it might be the two wifis conflicting with each other. Though my PC wifi is 2.4ghz, and the router is 5ghz with all other modes turned off.

Another issue is the latency isn't THAT good, and it's within 1 metre of my headset.

Update: Tell a lie, I just tried No Man's Sky, both 72 and 90hz (if that works after setting it), and it ran between 25-30ms pretty consistently. It's the loading screen where it suffers. Gotta remember to alt-tab to the Virtual Desktop streamer tool while in the game to see the latency for (VR) and not (Desktop), which it says when you're not running anything.

Kashinoda · 15 Oct 2020 at 15:28

CrackDown said:
Sorry, a bit of confusion here. I have VD already set up, running Steam VR games fine wirelessly over a TP-Link AX6000 router. Though, my latency when playing games fluctuates around 30-70. I was confused when melmac said he/she was getting 20ms, but that was just in Oculus games, but didn't realise that Oculus's own PC app worked like Steam. I can't get Minecraft to work from that by the way, it just comes up with an error saying "Oculus Rift not detected"

My set up is PC > connected to wifi downstairs. PC > connected to Wifi 6 router in bedroom, running only Wifi 6 with no other devices. Quest 2 connected to router via wifi.

I'm currently having an issue where my PC wifi will cut off every now and then, and I was wondering if it might be the two wifis conflicting with each other. Though my PC wifi is 2.4ghz, and the router is 5ghz with all other modes turned off.

Another issue is the latency isn't THAT good, and it's within 1 metre of my headset.

Update: Tell a lie, I just tried No Man's Sky, both 72 and 90hz (if that works after setting it), and it ran between 25-30ms pretty consistently. It's the loading screen where it suffers. Gotta remember to alt-tab to the Virtual Desktop streamer tool while in the game to see the latency for (VR) and not (Desktop), which it says when you're not running anything.

According to the developer Virtual Desktop has been supporting native PC Oculus games for a while now:
https://www.reddit.com/r/OculusQuest/comments/fdv6vq/virtual_desktop_update_110_play_native_oculus/

As for Minecraft, don't even bother with the official version for VR. Vivecraft is the way to go:
http://www.vivecraft.org/downloads/

melmac · 15 Oct 2020 at 17:17

CrackDown said:
Sorry, a bit of confusion here. I have VD already set up, running Steam VR games fine wirelessly over a TP-Link AX6000 router. Though, my latency when playing games fluctuates around 30-70. I was confused when melmac said he/she was getting 20ms, but that was just in Oculus games, but didn't realise that Oculus's own PC app worked like Steam. I can't get Minecraft to work from that by the way, it just comes up with an error saying "Oculus Rift not detected"

My set up is PC > connected to wifi downstairs. PC > connected to Wifi 6 router in bedroom, running only Wifi 6 with no other devices. Quest 2 connected to router via wifi.

I'm currently having an issue where my PC wifi will cut off every now and then, and I was wondering if it might be the two wifis conflicting with each other. Though my PC wifi is 2.4ghz, and the router is 5ghz with all other modes turned off.

Another issue is the latency isn't THAT good, and it's within 1 metre of my headset.

Update: Tell a lie, I just tried No Man's Sky, both 72 and 90hz (if that works after setting it), and it ran between 25-30ms pretty consistently. It's the loading screen where it suffers. Gotta remember to alt-tab to the Virtual Desktop streamer tool while in the game to see the latency for (VR) and not (Desktop), which it says when you're not running anything.

I think your problem is that you are launching games from Steam or from Oculus when using Virtual desktop. You start the game from the Virtual desktop menu itself. Click on the "games" tab in the menu.

andybird123 · 15 Oct 2020 at 17:38

melmac said:
I think your problem is that you are launching games from Steam or from Oculus when using Virtual desktop. You start the game from the Virtual desktop menu itself. Click on the "games" tab in the menu.

^ this, VD has its own menu for launching games, Minecraft works absolutely fine using this method

CrackDown · 15 Oct 2020 at 17:46

I tried that, but I don't have the java edition, just the Windows 10 version... looks like it's not cross-buy either, so I'll just forget it

Thanks.

andybird123 · 15 Oct 2020 at 18:52

CrackDown said:
I tried that, but I don't have the java edition, just the Windows 10 version... looks like it's not cross-buy either, so I'll just forget it Thanks.

It definitely works via VD, you need Minecraft windows edition installed and then the Oculus patch installed via the Oculus rift store, then launch from the VD Games menu, NOT the Oculus app menu

CrackDown · 16 Oct 2020 at 08:54

andybird123 said:
It definitely works via VD, you need Minecraft windows edition installed and then the Oculus patch installed via the Oculus rift store, then launch from the VD Games menu, NOT the Oculus app menu

Neither works. If I run it in VD, it comes up with an 'Oculus Rift not detected' message, and if I run it from the Oculus store (after installing the Oculus patch) it opens Minecraft 10 Launcher but that just sits there doing nothing and the game doesn't load. Tried this with both wireless and link cable. From what I'm reading, the Windows 10 version doesn't work and only Vivecraft with the Java version. Nevermind, don't want to hijack this thread. Will scour the web. Thanks.

andybird123 · 16 Oct 2020 at 09:04

CrackDown said:
Neither works. If I run it in VD, it comes up with an 'Oculus Rift not detected' message, and if I run it from the Oculus store (after installing the Oculus patch) it opens Minecraft 10 Launcher but that just sits there doing nothing and the game doesn't load. Tried this with both wireless and link cable. From what I'm reading, the Windows 10 version doesn't work and only Vivecraft with the Java version. Nevermind, don't want to hijack this thread. Will scour the web. Thanks.

When you load VD, you hold the left controller menu button, the one with 3 lines on it, that brings up the VD Menu, click on Games, then click on the game you want to launch, e.g. Minecraft which should be listed under Oculus games. It sounds like you are trying to launch games while running VD but not from the actual VD menu.

My kids and I played it yesterday for over an hour, it definitely does work.

CrackDown · 16 Oct 2020 at 09:13

Yep, that's exactly how I've tried it. That one comes up with the 'Oculus Rift not detected'. I notice that when I'm running wirelessly, the Oculus app doesn't recognise the headset and so I think it presumes I've got a Rift by default, and can't find it. When I plug in the link cable, the Oculus app can let me set up a headset, but launching the game from here results in the launcher executable just hanging. When I disconnect the link cable and try wirelessly again (in VD), it comes up with the Rift error. And when I check the Oculus app, it has my Quest 2 set up, but can't find it (presumably because it needs to be wired in). Very odd if it works for your kids.

andybird123 · 16 Oct 2020 at 09:17

CrackDown said:
Yep, that's exactly how I've tried it. That one comes up with the 'Oculus Rift not detected'. I notice that when I'm running wirelessly, the Oculus app doesn't recognise the headset and so I think it presumes I've got a Rift by default, and can't find it. When I plug in the link cable, the Oculus app can let me set up a headset, but launching the game from here results in the launcher executable just hanging. When I disconnect the link cable and try wirelessly again (in VD), it comes up with the Rift error. And when I check the Oculus app, it has my Quest 2 set up, but can't find it (presumably because it needs to be wired in). Very odd if it works for your kids.

Ok, that sounds like you've installed the "normal" version of virtual desktop and not the developer mode one from SideQuest

I only get the "rift not detected" if I start trying to launch games from the Oculus app instead of the VD menu

tangey · 16 Oct 2020 at 09:18

I'm copying this across from my post on the owners thread, as it appears to be relevant here too.

Although i used VD a lot with the quest1, I've only recently found a few things.

The latency you see on your monitor when VD is in desktop (latency desktop) mode means nothing. You need to be playing a game on the quest, take it off, but cover one of the eye pieces so it thinks its still on, then bring streamer app on top of the Pc desktop screen. The latency seen now (latency VR) is the one you are after.

Alyx was giving me absolutely shocking latency, I was seeing 120ms+ at times.

If you see unacceptable latency like that, then, counter-intuitively, you need to pull the bitrate down. Like most, the first thing I did was wack it up to the max of 150. I have no idea why reducing bitrate helps latency. But the VD developer consistently suggests in on the discord discussion, and I think he has his own around 75-80. I have mine down to 75Mps and my latency is now around 40ms. This is with a wifi5 router, so Wifi6 might be better.

andybird123 · 16 Oct 2020 at 09:21

tangey said:
I'm copying this across from my post on the owners thread, as it appears to be relevant here too.

Although i used VD a lot with the quest1, I've only recently found a few things.

The latency you see on your monitor when VD is in desktop (latency desktop) mode means nothing. You need to be playing a game on the quest, take it off, but cover one of the eye pieces so it thinks its still on, then bring streamer app on top of the Pc desktop screen. The latency seen now (latency VR) is the one you are after.

Alyx was giving me absolutely shocking latency, I was seeing 120ms+ at times.

If you see unacceptable latency like that, then, counter-intuitively, you need to pull the bitrate down. Like most, the first thing I did was wack it up to the max of 150. I have no idea why reducing bitrate helps latency. But the VD developer consistently suggests in on the discord discussion, and I think he has his own around 75-80. I have mine down to 75Mps and my latency is now around 40ms. This is with a wifi5 router, so Wifi6 might be better.

higher bitrate takes longer to compress and decompress, hence the effect on latency

tangey · 16 Oct 2020 at 10:00

Yeah, I mistaken thought increased bit rate was purely related to the transmitted data, allowing more data to hold the same quality of video stream, meant less compression and hence less latency

I now realise that increasing that figure means VD is using more data for better quality so more time spent in the compression/decompression process.

CrackDown · 17 Oct 2020 at 07:40

My internet has been flaky on the router that my headset connects to. I'm still struggling to work out how it actually gets internet. My connection goes like this:

[Virgin Router downstairs] --WIFI--> [PC upstairs] --Ethernet--> [Dedicated Router] --WIFI--> [Quest 2]

The ethernet from the PC goes into the WAN port on the back of the router, but as my PC doesn't have DHCP how does the router get an IP?... or that ethernet port for that matter? The ethernet assigns itself a 192.168.137.1 address somehow, and my router EVENTUALLY picks up a similar IP on the same range. But as I said, it's flaky... it can be sat there for 10, 20 minutes and the internet not be connected on the router because it hasn't yet picked up an IP.

If I set a static IP on the router, it's the same. Then, randomly... the light will turn blue signalling it's got internet and everything is hunky-dory and I can't figure out if it's because I've done something or not. I find that disabling the Wifi on the PC (which picks up the internet from downstairs) and reenabling it can have an effect. This connection is shared, by the way, which is how, I presume, the router gets the internet.

andybird123 · 17 Oct 2020 at 09:01

CrackDown said:
My internet has been flaky on the router that my headset connects to. I'm still struggling to work out how it actually gets internet. My connection goes like this:

[Virgin Router downstairs] --WIFI--> [PC upstairs] --Ethernet--> [Dedicated Router] --WIFI--> [Quest 2]

The ethernet from the PC goes into the WAN port on the back of the router, but as my PC doesn't have DHCP how does the router get an IP?... or that ethernet port for that matter? The ethernet assigns itself a 192.168.137.1 address somehow, and my router EVENTUALLY picks up a similar IP on the same range. But as I said, it's flaky... it can be sat there for 10, 20 minutes and the internet not be connected on the router because it hasn't yet picked up an IP.

If I set a static IP on the router, it's the same. Then, randomly... the light will turn blue signalling it's got internet and everything is hunky-dory and I can't figure out if it's because I've done something or not. I find that disabling the Wifi on the PC (which picks up the internet from downstairs) and reenabling it can have an effect. This connection is shared, by the way, which is how, I presume, the router gets the internet.

Yes, if you are sharing your PC's internet connection then basically windows is creating the bridge itself, the router by default will have a DHCP server set up, but then by plugging in to the WAN port the router is trying to send DHCP requests via your PC and it sounds like there is an issue there, that's not the way I would set it up personally

I would connect the PC via ethernet to one of the standard ethernet ports on the dedicated router and then just make sure your PC is set up to bridge the two connections, I think I would also turn off DHCP on the new router and manually assign an IP address to the new router and the PC on the ethernet port (to a different subnet to your virgin router) and configure the DNS server as your virgin router (or check what IP addresses your virgin router is using and use those)

its been a while since I had to do this in anger so you might have to try a couple of different things

there are also instructions on how to create a bridge in windows 10 if you google, just to make sure that is being done correctly.

Stuff working and then not working intermittently is a key sign that something is misconfigured and causing a conflict.

Normally for VD you would connect the 2 routers via ethernet and then just configure the new router as an accesspoint, but you are using your PC as a router via the wireless connection - you might look in to seeing if you can get the new dedicated router to connect to the virgin router via wifi so that the router is actually acting as the router instead of your PC

or deliberately keep the 2 separate and only connect your quest to your internet connection when you want to download stuff / play quest native games

you're deliberately using a non-textbook network setup, so exactly how you set it up and configure it you are going to have to troubleshoot yourself

CrackDown · 17 Oct 2020 at 11:02

Thanks. I did try doing it the other way, with the ethernet going into a standard LAN port and giving the router a static IP with no DHCP, but whenever I tried to connect to the router via WIFI, no client device could get an IP... because there was no DHCP. How would that work otherwise?

I've tried bridging too, but maybe I did it wrong. There's no way for the router to connect to a Wifi, unfortunately, only serve as Wifi, so I can't try getting the router to connect to the Virgin one downstairs.

I think, once internet feeds to the router and is working fine, it pretty much continues to work. The main issue is that my PC wifi keeps getting cut off, and so it cuts it from the router and the whole connection issue circles round again. I'm using a Netgear USB 3.0 device for that, so I've ordered a PCIe wifi 6 card and will try that on Monday when it arrives. Hopefully, that doesn't get knocked off like my USB one does.

andybird123 · 17 Oct 2020 at 11:36

If you turn off the DHCP server on the router, you enable DHCP passthrough on your PC which is acting as the router when you bridge the 2 networks

Bridging WiFi using your PC is always going to be a bandaid solution, you are discovering why no one usually chooses that as a solution.

You need to read up on networking and work out your own solution, trying to give tips on a forum is not going to solve your issues, you either need to gain the requisite knowledge through reading or get someone with more experience to come to your house, it's virtually impossible for me to troubleshoot this for you remotely.

In fact in your situation you might get the best results by just setting all of your routers to the same ssid and password and run it as a mesh network.

melmac · 17 Oct 2020 at 13:36

CrackDown said:
Thanks. I did try doing it the other way, with the ethernet going into a standard LAN port and giving the router a static IP with no DHCP, but whenever I tried to connect to the router via WIFI, no client device could get an IP... because there was no DHCP. How would that work otherwise?

I've tried bridging too, but maybe I did it wrong. There's no way for the router to connect to a Wifi, unfortunately, only serve as Wifi, so I can't try getting the router to connect to the Virgin one downstairs.

I think, once internet feeds to the router and is working fine, it pretty much continues to work. The main issue is that my PC wifi keeps getting cut off, and so it cuts it from the router and the whole connection issue circles round again. I'm using a Netgear USB 3.0 device for that, so I've ordered a PCIe wifi 6 card and will try that on Monday when it arrives. Hopefully, that doesn't get knocked off like my USB one does.

Why don't you get power line adapters and connect the Dedicated Router in your room to the Hub downstairs using those instead? And then you could setup the Router as an access point and connect your computer to it using an Ethernet cable. That would allow you to have a dedicated 5Ghz network for your headset.

CrackDown · 17 Oct 2020 at 14:11

I've tried power line adapters and I get 40-60mbps from my 200mb virgin, whereas I can get 160mbps+ using WiFi. There's probably too much interference as each plug has to go into a strip. Not enough stand alone sockets to get around that.

melmac · 17 Oct 2020 at 15:05

CrackDown said:
I've tried power line adapters and I get 40-60mbps from my 200mb virgin, whereas I can get 160mbps+ using WiFi. There's probably too much interference as each plug has to go into a strip. Not enough stand alone sockets to get around that.

Maybe a Wifi repeater then? And plug that into your access point, and plug your PC into it?

I would only use bridging using your PC as a last resort.