Discussion in 'Graphics Cards' started by DragonQ, Jan 9, 2019.
But right now, we are saying that it is CPU limited because of the quad-core i7 7700K lol
What, you mean like they did with TrueAudio that was used in what, like, 2 games?
Which is a situation that ray tracing could easily find itself in. I can't see this taking off in any real way until consoles have the same capability. And that's years off.
Haha. Elon can be a douche sometimes I agree. But I forgive him
Yup, knew they'd gotten a boost in VR. Must absolutely bury the Vega64 in certain stuff!!!
How exactly do you know at this launch is not just getting rid of defunct instinct dies? That's what it looks like to me. Navi will likely come to the PS5 this Christmas, and it's highly probable that the worst Navi dies will be married to lower end Ryzen 3 Apus before the PS5 launch. The same complete binned Navi dies will just be put into consumer cards at the beginning of next year. Navi has to be prioritized for a console ramp up. No doubt the next Xbox will be using the same or slightly larger version Navi the following year. What is the point of chasing a PC market that doesn't buy your graphics cards even when they are better? AMD is right to leave the pc market to Nvidia we deserve overpriced Nvidia cards. Better to chase CPU sales and churn out cheep to produce graphics silicon that can slot into and compete lower into Nvidias product stack. At larger profit margins due to Nvidia price gouging. And let Intel chase Nvidia for high end GPUs to no avail .
I think you got me confused,no see my wording you quoted is not clear.
As soon as I saw the Vega7 announcement I was the first to state this was a salavage part from defunct dies, long before any news site suggested that.
My statement above is that AMD is not producing excess Vega20 stock that they can't sell as Instinct. Quite the opposite, merely yields of fully functional dies are low enough that there are enough defunct chips to have a small supply of Vega7. But since the economics only work out because of this a salvaged part, supply will mostly be dictated by vega20 production and yields. Eventually AMD might have to sacrifice fully working chips if vega20 demand drops and yields improve. Although maybe AMD would release a vega8 with an extra 5-10% performance.
In the meantime expect supply to be low so prices will be gouged and end up much more than the RTX2080
If a Vega 20 die can't make the cut for a MI60 with full 64 CUs, it gets salvaged as a 60 CU MI50, correct? But that salvaged package is now also used for Radeon 7?
Are yields for a full 64 CU die so low AMD think they'll have more MI50s than they could sell?
Is demand for a full MI60 so high AMD don't think they could sell the 60 CU dies as MI50?
I believe it is more about AMD showing they are still relevant in the gaming space. They couldn't price it any lower and it is not aimed at mainstream. So AMD know it will sell at the prices they have set. I mean if people are paying the exotrionate prices for 20x0 then they will pay the same for Radeon VII.
Regardless of what some will try to argue, it is a viable alternative to a 2080.
My thought process though is how are they able to repurpose MI50 cards to do it. That's a potentially big chunk of profit lost for a short-term PR stunt. And I'd also question if Radeon 7 is the best example of being "still relevant" given it's just a bigger version of RX Vega, with all the failings that come with it.
Seems pretty likely that yields will be ***** as this is the biggest 7nm chip TSMC (announced or rumored) will be fabbing in the near future. Makes sense they'll be getting lots of defects until the process is refined.
On that, it's no secret that Zen2 dies are tiny to make them as cost effective as possible on this brand new and expensive node.
Cloud based compute clients want absolute maximum density, so it makes perfect sense the MI60 has the highest demand. It's also likely that MI50 are also lower binned chips, so you won't get the same efficiency which is another desirable.
Indeed, which is something that doesn't matter quite as much in the consumer space.
I suppose the only real good thing about this card,is Navi will be a second generation 7NM GPU for AMD,and hopefully their experience with 7NM will help them tweak the Navi based GPUs better.
So let me interject with a positive question to all and @overclockers
When is the projected or "usual" pre order date when things like this get announced ?
On sale on the 7th February right?
And another question, what do you guys think is the chances of this VII having a similar enough PCB that my current vega reference water block will just fit it?
Is there even time for pre-orders? @Gibbo would need to be talking to AMD right now about stock and supply if he was going to commit to anything. It's possible.
And I'd wager the Radeon Instinct PCB is significantly different to RX Vega; after all Radeon 7 is a MI50 Instinct card with a few tweaks.
The only 1 picture i found of the instincts PCB looks identical to a vega reference, I guess there is now way of knowing unless someone that gets a review one cares about looking into that.
@Gibbo I want to pre order one , do you have a date?
That was always going to be the case, Vega7 dies were being sold months ago As vega20
They are Vega 2 or radeon 7 ( VII ) not vega 7 lol
Water block fitting? Probably no chance. Afaik AMD will sell these directly, which makes sense - the margins are too low on the product. At best maybe AIBs get some to re-sell too & then you depend on them for CS/RMA (what happened with Fury X).
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