intel had the performance crown for like 10 years and they never upped their prices. An i7 2600k cost the same an an i7 8700k 7 years later. Thanks to AMD though, we got mainstream cpus that cost 800 euros!
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Raptor Lake Leaks + Intel 4 developments
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That is factually wrong and i dont get why people keep repeating this nonsense . It feels like fanboys that dont give a damn about reality.
Intel gave us a 45% increase in multithreaded performance between 2011 and 2015 (2600k to 6700k) at the same price point. They also gave us an 80% performance increase between 2013 and 2017 (4770 to 8700), again at the same price point. Amd only gave us a 35% increase between 2017 and 2021 (r7 1700 to 5600x) at the same price point. So... Who's milking? Really now?
The 2600K was not the highest end mainstream Intel CPU at the time, the 2700K was $332, the 8700K was $360 so yes with inflation its right.
However the 9900K was $488
The 11900K was $539
The 12900K is $589
Intel are defiantly on an upward trend.
AMD gave us the MT performance of an Intel HEDT CPU at $1100 for $499.
AMD also gave us better than Intel $1979 HEDT performance on mainstream for $799.
Hello new-old user, Can you introduce yourself?
It's only the recent cuts that have seen the price dip so in zen 4 form your not going to get a 7900X for £400 though and even the 7800X will cost more which is why the 13700k will be up against that part while the 7900X will be closer in price to the 13900k.
How he as neutral non-fanboy user could forget that?
That's a sweeping statement, why not?
Tbf Intel have also given us that with ADL.
Without AMD ADL wouldn't exist. They spend too much money on ADL architecture, not to mention software optimizations for big/little. ADL is direct answer to AMD so...
It would be like nvidia releasing the 4080 ti for £699, it's just not going to happen and if anything prices will match zen 3 release or even go up by the usual 50 quid per SKU.
Gave us what with ADL? Better performance than a $2000 AMD HEDT? No.
A false equivalence.
AMD gave us a mainstream CPU for $500 that was as good as an Intel HEDT costing $1100, and again a few years later with an $800 maistream CPU that was better than an Intel HEDT CPU costing $2000.
So i'll ask again, why not?
Exactly, Intel still don't have answer for AMD HEDT, there are some rumors for sapphire rapids, but only rumors so far.
The 2990WX wasn't quite $2000 but yeah it beats that.
Does it beat the 3970X?
No but then nor does anything AMD has on desktop either.
Of course not, do you think that's a Gotcha?
The 5990X will score about 92,000, no benchmarks yet but i'm adding the 12% IPC Zen 2 vs Zen 3 in R23 and a 10% clock bump 3990X vs 5990X, the former scores 75,000
This at 280 watts, at 240 watts the 12900K scores 27,500. to beat 92K by 4K the 12900K would need to score 250% higher, a direct power conversion would make this Intel HEDT 840 watts.
That is the hill Intel have to climb and in about 6 months AMD will be on 5nm, if we talk about AMD beating their own HEDT i think the 7950X with 16 cores will beat the older 3960X and get to 90% of the 3970X.
If competition between these two is red hot AMD could easily shut Intel down with the next generation if they wanted to, they have 3X more architectural headroom, with that in mind i don't think predicting how Intel might make AMD struggle to compete is a good idea. Intel might push AMD but they will have to weigh up if its a good idea to provoke them that much. they could overdo it which might make Lisa flip Intel the bird.
This at 280 watts, at 240 watts the 12900K scores 27,500. to beat 92K by 4K the 12900K would need to score 250% higher, a direct power conversion would make this Intel HEDT 840 watts.
That is the hill Intel have to climb and in about 6 months AMD will be on 5nm, if we talk about AMD beating their own HEDT i think the 7950X with 16 cores will beat the older 3960X and get to 90% of the 3970X.
If competition between these two is red hot AMD could easily shut Intel down with the next generation if they wanted to, they have 3X more architectural headroom, with that in mind i don't think predicting how Intel might make AMD struggle to compete is a good idea. Intel might push AMD but they will have to weigh up if its a good idea to provoke them that much. they could overdo it which might make Lisa flip Intel the bird.
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