RDNA 3 rumours Q3/4 2022

[glenimp617]

Yeah, doesn't bode well for the future of PC gaming. It's alright for people on here as enthusiasts who can afford it, but most people aren't going to drop anywhere near that much on a Gpu when a whole console is half the price.

I've thought about going back to consoles. PC gaming was ridiculous years ago and it's only gotten worse. I love simracing in VR, and consoles can't really do that, but setting it all up and constantly fighting against the system is getting a bit annoying.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

Yeah, doesn't bode well for the future of PC gaming. It's alright for people on here as enthusiasts who can afford it, but most people aren't going to drop anywhere near that much on a Gpu when a whole console is half the price.

I sat out the Nvidia 2000 series when it got this bad, and the 3000 series came back at a semi reasonable price. Here's hoping the sales plummet, and let's be honest who's throwing £1.5k at GPU, and the 5000 series gets back on track.

I'd love to see AMD focus on raster and ditch the RTX pish.

 

[Kirby Wurm]

This was sent to me by a friend but he wont tell me where he got it, so, yeah......

If only. Would still leave $1200 for the 7900 XTX and $700-$800 for a 7800 XT so could be somewhat accurate.

 

[Haggisman]

I've thought about going back to consoles. PC gaming was ridiculous years ago and it's only gotten worse. I love simracing in VR, and consoles can't really do that, but setting it all up and constantly fighting against the system is getting a bit annoying.

Sadly I don't think I could ever go back to console, I can't aim for **** with a controller and all my friends are on PC.

Thankfully I have a massive steam back catalog of excellent games which don't need a top end Gpu

 

[Grim5]

LOLZ.

So for example AMD is going to sell their 80 card for about half of what NV is?



It's Halloween not April Fools day!

Unrealistic pricing. Only works if AMD accepts rdna3 is vastly inferior to rtx4000, otherwise the pricing doesn't make sense

 

[humbug]

Oh man, seriously. Are we really at the stage where we think £900 is acceptable for a GPU?

Tragic

Some people are at the stage were they think $1700 is acceptable for a GPU.

 

[Poneros]

This was sent to me by a friend but he wont tell me where he got it, so, yeah......

He got it from his uncle at Nintendo, duh!

 

[TNA]

For me what made sense was the 3080. Great price if you could get the FE and was only around 15% slower than the card that cost silly money’s. That’s what works for me. Give the people who think you need silly amounts of vram and must have the best performance even if it is only 15% better a card that costs silly money and milk them. Then for the rest of us who would never pay that provide a 3080 type card. Even if it was say £700.

AMD need a 3080 type card. They can charge silly money for their top card. Just price the one under it competitively...

 

[DDH]

Unrealistic pricing. Only works if AMD accepts rdna3 is vastly inferior to rtx4000, otherwise the pricing doesn't make sense

What does this even mean and where do you get this from? The only thing that doesn't make sense is nvidia cranking up the prices each gen and every man and his dog bending over and letting huang get away with it.

 

[kieran_read]

I don't get the entire "why would AMD release their product 40% cheaper" argument.

Intel 6900k launch price $1099
AMD Ryzen 1800x launch price $499

They literally sold their top of the line comeback CPU which was exremely competative especially in multi-core for UNDER 50% of the competitions price.

@humbug little price chart there if true would be an incredible GPU comeback tour, tease us with the 6000 series then bat it home with the 7000 series.

The entire argument for AMD's top tier being £1000 isn't farfetched it's a realistic price, like others have said Nvidia have doubled their price generation to generation...meaning you have actually lost performance/$ generation to generation as the 4080 isn't double the performance of the 3080 at least according to the "leaks" on WCCF to pay double for less than double the performance isn't a good deal.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 16 GB 3DMark Benchmark Leaks Out, Up To 62% Faster Than RTX 3080

An alleged NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 16 GB graphics card benchmark within 3DMark has leaked out and shows up to 60% gain over the RTX 3080.

wccftech.com

Like most of us have said we think Nvidias new pricing system is extreme and way over priced, Nvidia are trying to keep the profit levels from over charging cryptominers over the last couple of years, an industry that's now dead (at least for GPU mining)

For me a realistic price for the 4090 would be around £1300-£1400 (£1300 for founders AIBs £1400+) So as I wouldn't be willing to pay more than £1300 for a 4090 founders I also wouldn't be willing to pay more than £1300 for an AMD GPU it's nothing to do with brands it's to do with what i'm willing to pay and i'll vote with my wallet. My 1080ti is still chugging along i can wait a little longer if i need too.

Now if as we assume AMD would be within 10% of Nvidias performance in rastaration the AMD "founders" edition at 10% cheaper would put it around £1170 however it's pretty certain now that Nvidia will be better at RT by almost double and you also have DLSS (well DLSS is still up in the air until we know about the performance of the newest FSR) If someone is paying £1000 for a GPU you can be damn sure they will likely pay that extra and just get a 4090 thanks to RT and DLSS.

If we apply a value on Nvidias RT/DLSS features of around £100-£150 (which is how much I would personally be willing to pay for it) then you get and to being around £1020 - £1070 to then say i'd like AMD to be around £999 isn't farfetched it's a very realisic valuation on where their top GPU should be placed.

Now if you accept Nvidias pricing of £1700 is a "good deal" and "good value" then sure you may think i'm wanting too much, but if like me (and clearly a few others on this forum) think Nvidia are taking the **** then it's not unrealisitc.

Even if AMDs performance matches the 4090 that would still price it at around £1100-£1150 (due to the value placed on Nvidia features) this of course is all based on what I believe Nvidia should be charging for ther GPUS.

EDIT: Also to add, the claims that AMD couldn't force Nvidia to reduce their prices is so far removed from reality that you're living in a parallel world created by your own delusions. Intels latest and greatest CPU is priced at £730 on OCUK right now....... 5 years ago before Ryzen existed Intels top end CPUs cost well over £1000. Competition has forced intel to lower their prices by 30%+ and they are still the richest. It's no way in hell unrealistic for AMD to do the same to the GPU market.

 

[Shaz12]

Yeah, doesn't bode well for the future of PC gaming. It's alright for people on here as enthusiasts who can afford it, but most people aren't going to drop anywhere near that much on a Gpu when a whole console is half the price.

You don't have to buy the absolute top end card to enjoy PC gaming. You could easily go for an RTX 3060 Ti or a 3070 and still get an experience which is leagues above the consoles.

 

[KompuKare]

For me what made sense was the 3080. Great price if you could get the FE and was only around 15% slower than the card that cost silly money’s. That’s what works for me. Give the people who think you need silly amounts of vram and must have the best performance even if it is only 15% better a card that costs silly money and milk them. Then for the rest of us who would never pay that provide a 3080 type card. Even if it was say £700.

AMD need a 3080 type card. They can charge silly money for their top card. Just price the one under it competitively...

And with 3D cache stacking for the IO die, they might be able to do that. If Navi31 is competitive and is only 350mm² for the main die, and packaging isn't a huge limit then AMD could do these Navi31 cards:
7800XT - Navi 31 with some shaders disabled
7900XT - Navi 31 "full" die
7900XTX - Navi 31 "full" die with 3D stacked cache.
Price 7800XT "sane", the 7900XT maybe another $200, and go crazy with XTX halo part even if only is 10% quicker and then only at 4K.
For the 3D cache part, they can either offer twice as much, or if they find buyers and TSMC is able to deliver they could do a halo-halo part with two stacks and x3 cache. Maybe throw in some extra VRAM too if the bus sizes allow.

 

[Haggisman]

You don't have to buy the absolute top end card to enjoy PC gaming. You could easily go for an RTX 3060 Ti or a 3070 and still get an experience which is leagues above the consoles.

Yeah, but the way pricing is going, even a x060 card is going to be £600+ (hell they initially announced the 4080 12GB 4070 at $900).

That's just not sustainable for the mass market, when that will get you a console plus a couple of games

 

[TNA]

And with 3D cache stacking for the IO die, they might be able to do that. If Navi31 is competitive and is only 350mm² for the main die, and packaging isn't a huge limit then AMD could do these Navi31 cards:
7800XT - Navi 31 with some shaders disabled
7900XT - Navi 31 "full" die
7900XTX - Navi 31 "full" die with 3D stacked cache.
Price 7800XT "sane", the 7900XT maybe another $200, and go crazy with XTX halo part even if only is 10% quicker and then only at 4K.
For the 3D cache part, they can either offer twice as much, or if they find buyers and TSMC is able to deliver they could do a halo-halo part with two stacks and x3 cache. Maybe throw in some extra VRAM too if the bus sizes allow.

Definitely throw in more vram. More vram the more you can ram some customers. I mean some people like Grim genuinely believe more vram means more performance, so why not

 

[EastCoastHandle]

Things are getting spice as we approach Nov 3rd. And no real solid leaks this time around too.

 

[Shaz12]

Yeah, but the way pricing is going, even a x060 card is going to be £600+ (hell they initially announced the 4080 12GB 4070 at $900).

That's just not sustainable for the mass market, when that will get you a console plus a couple of games

At their investor calls they mentioned the 40 series was meant to complement the 30 series and not replace it which is why pricing is the way it is. Pricing will go down once AIBs get rid of their unsold 3000 series inventory. I expect 5000 series will have much more reasonable pricing at the low/mid-range.

 

[Shaz12]

Things are getting spice as we approach Nov 3rd. And no real solid leaks this time around too.

We already know its 2x raster which puts it in 4090 ballpark. I expect it will be around 5-10% faster than 4090 in raster but will get crushed in ray tracing and won't have an alternative to DLSS 3.

 

[Haggisman]

At their investor calls they mentioned the 40 series was meant to complement the 30 series and not replace it which is why pricing is the way it is. Pricing will go down once AIBs get rid of their unsold 3000 series inventory. I expect 5000 series will have much more reasonable pricing at the low/mid-range.

Much as I hope you're right, I shan't hold my breath

 

[kieran_read]

At their investor calls they mentioned the 40 series was meant to complement the 30 series and not replace it which is why pricing is the way it is. Pricing will go down once AIBs get rid of their unsold 3000 series inventory. I expect 5000 series will have much more reasonable pricing at the low/mid-range.

It's actually one of the reasons i think AMD could come in at a really good price when you check out OCUK AMD's 6000 gen are very limited/out of stock AMD only has to compete with Nvidia, whereas Nvidia has to compete with itself.

 

[EastCoastHandle]

We already know its 2x raster which puts it in 4090 ballpark. I expect it will be around 5-10% faster than 4090 in raster but will get crushed in ray tracing and won't have an alternative to DLSS 3.

Yes, it should compete well with the 4090 and at times beat it. Rumor was that it beats it out right. But that was a while ago.