Return to 'The Troubles'?

Mitzy · 12 Jan 2013 at 16:43

From BBC

However, in County Antrim, police used water cannon during trouble on the Shore Road in Whiteabbey and also in Newtownabbey, where a PSNI Land Rover with a CCTV camera on the roof was set alight with a petrol bomb.

In Rathcoole in Newtownabbey, a distressed pensioner pleaded with protesters to let him pass through a road block so he could make his way to visit his seriously ill wife in hospital.

The protesters jeered at the elderly man and refused to let him through.

Mitzy · 12 Jan 2013 at 16:44

From the Independant

In one part of Belfast, a doctor was twice prevented by protesters from making a home visit to a seriously ill cancer patient.
He was eventually able to make his way to the patient's home after the protest had ended.
During another protest, a pensioner got into an angry confrontation with demonstrators as he tried to get home to his terminally ill wife.
When they refused to let him make his way home, he shouted at them: "What would you do if your wife was dying? ... Get yourselves off home." He was forced to turn around and as he did the protesters started jeering and taunting him.

Mitzy · 12 Jan 2013 at 16:45

Both linked to above for further reading.

OhEsEcks · 12 Jan 2013 at 16:50

Mitzy said:
Quite frankly the gentlemans whys are none if your business, don't you think?

He is a citizen going about his lawful business.

It's everyones business when the BBC make the descision to release the audio. If they want people to hear what went on, they'll release the entire exchange. What was going on before hand? What went on after the clip ends? Did the man eventually get through? The clip provided is hardly impartial reporting. Is that down to the BBC, or the individual who recorded the exchange? Why was only 30 seconds released? Was that all their recording equipment picked up (I doubt it, since I worked at the BBC a decade ago)?, was it recorded on a phone (I doubt it since you can record more than 30 seconds on any modern phone)? Where they worried about protecting his privacy (they are capable of redacting personal information with bleeps)?

ULP · 12 Jan 2013 at 16:53

OhEsEcks said:
The propagandha machine in Northern Ireland is alive and well.

You can certainly say that again!!!

I'm not here to have a childlike he said, she said to-and-fro.

It is what it is, do what you want with it. Emergencies happen when they happen, You look a right mug to not have total condamnation and disgust at all events regarding this mess. To not distance yourself from all of it simply makes you questionable in most peoples opinion. But carry on.

OhEsEcks · 12 Jan 2013 at 16:54

ULP said:
You can certainly say that again!!!

I'm not here to have a childlike he said, she said to-and-fro.

It is what it is, do what you want with it. Emergencies happen when they happen, You look a right mug to not have total condamnation and disgust at all events regarding this mess. To not distance yourself from all of it simply makes you questionable in most peoples opinion. But carry on.

You are making a lot of assumptions about me and your impartiality is questionable when you're writing where you come from in Gaelic, so please, save me the holier-than-thou attitude.

Mitzy · 12 Jan 2013 at 17:02

It says in the stories he had to turn away buddy.

Tachyon · 12 Jan 2013 at 17:02

Listening to the likes of the BBC recording of the pensioner being jeered is sickening and nothing short of a disgrace to protestant people. Honestly, I listen to that and wonder what they think they are trying to achieve by doing that, hateful, hateful people.

Mitzy · 12 Jan 2013 at 17:03

OhEsEcks said:
It's everyones business when the BBC make the descision to release the audio. If they want people to hear what went on, they'll release the entire exchange. What was going on before hand? What went on after the clip ends? Did the man eventually get through? The clip provided is hardly impartial reporting. Is that down to the BBC, or the individual who recorded the exchange? Why was only 30 seconds released? Was that all their recording equipment picked up (I doubt it, since I worked at the BBC a decade ago)?, was it recorded on a phone (I doubt it since you can record more than 30 seconds on any modern phone)? Where they worried about protecting his privacy (they are capable of redacting personal information with bleeps)?

Email their news desk.

Mitzy · 12 Jan 2013 at 17:05

Tachyon said:
Listening to the likes of the BBC recording of the pensioner being jeered is sickening and nothing short of a disgrace to protestant people. Honestly, I listen to that and wonder what they think they are trying to achieve by doing that, hateful, hateful people.

I'd be careful how you word things like that, these protesters are most likely not Protestant ie don't attend church, don't actively subscribe to their raised faith. These people are a shame to themselves.

OhEsEcks · 12 Jan 2013 at 17:06

Mitzy said:
It says in the stories he had to turn away buddy.

Yes, but did he find another way through? Did he find a more sympathetic road block later (which of course wouldn't be reported so we're left with only this distressing 30 second clip of one particular road block to be outraged by). Did he go back later like the doctor who was doing the home visit? Like I said, we need to know more.

Gerard · 12 Jan 2013 at 17:08

OhEsEcks said:
You are making a lot of assumptions about me and your impartiality is questionable when you're writing where you come from in Gaelic, so please, save me the holier-than-thou attitude.

And your impartiality is in question for even mentioning the fact he has his location in Gaelic.

ULP · 12 Jan 2013 at 17:10

OhEsEcks said:
You are making a lot of assumptions about me and your impartiality is questionable when you're writing where you come from in Gaelic, so please, save me the holier-than-thou attitude.

Well, is this a question about impartiality?

Violence from anyone is unacceptable no matter who you are.

Trust you to notice something like my location writen in Irish!

OhEsEcks · 12 Jan 2013 at 17:12

Gerard said:
And your impartiality is in question for even mentioning the fact he has his location in Gaelic.

I don't think you should be throwing stones about who is an is not impartial either. At least it's quite obvious what my politics are and I'm not hiding behind the facade of being oh so liberal.

Tachyon · 12 Jan 2013 at 17:13

Pestilence said:
Should be legal to simply wheel out the 30 cal. and clean the gene pool some.

pingwing said:
PSNI do possess the firepower to do it... It would be a much more effective method of sorting out the immediate problem.

I'm not sure if you're just bitter and you let it cloud your judgement somewhat or if that's really what you think but it doesn't say much for what kind of people you are.

OhEsEcks · 12 Jan 2013 at 17:14

ULP said:
Well, is this a question about impartiality?

Violence from anyone is unacceptable no matter who you are.

Trust you to notice something like my location writen in Irish!

Is this a question about your impartiality? Absolutely when you're making the accusations about me that you do.

It's not hard to notice where you live being written in Irish as, well, it's written in Irish. I don't know what point you're trying to make there. Unless you're saying that as a Protestant/Unionist I should not be able to know when something is written in Irish. Talk about all that impartiality.

Tachyon · 12 Jan 2013 at 17:23

Mitzy said:
I'd be careful how you word things like that, these protesters are most likely not Protestant ie don't attend church, don't actively subscribe to their raised faith. These people are a shame to themselves.

I'm not really sure why you think I should be careful of how I word things, regardless of whether they subscribe to their faith, attend church and so, people will associate them with the protestant people. For what it's worth I think the man was right when he said they wouldn't know what protestants were but like it or not anybody looking on is just going think, there's the prods out starting trouble.

Gerard · 12 Jan 2013 at 17:31

OhEsEcks said:
I don't think you should be throwing stones about who is an is not impartial either. At least it's quite obvious what my politics are and I'm not hiding behind the facade of being oh so liberal.

And who is "hiding" behind this facade exactly?

Mitzy · 12 Jan 2013 at 17:58

OhEsEcks said:
Yes, but did he find another way through? Did he find a more sympathetic road block later (which of course wouldn't be reported so we're left with only this distressing 30 second clip of one particular road block to be outraged by). Did he go back later like the doctor who was doing the home visit? Like I said, we need to know more.

How is that relevant, in this one particular instance he had no joy. It's not highlighting all the protests just the one mentioned in his area.

Mitzy · 12 Jan 2013 at 18:02

Tachyon said:
I'm not really sure why you think I should be careful of how I word things, regardless of whether they subscribe to their faith, attend church and so, people will associate them with the protestant people. For what it's worth I think the man was right when he said they wouldn't know what protestants were but like it or not anybody looking on is just going think, there's the prods out starting trouble.

Yes but there's a difference between idiot Loyalist teenage goons being encouraged by middle aged failures of Loyalist men and a Protestant.

One follows encouragement of violence and the other follows the encouragement of his local church and family.