Return to 'The Troubles'?

[Biohazard]

You mean disdain like they did in the old USSR?

No.

Who are they ruining it for? What has been ruined?

The city and towns, order and reputation I'd imagine. Probably the people hospitalised as well.

Its not the flag they are rioting about, its the wide spread political neglect of the working class. The people of N Ireland learned a long time ago about standing up for themselves. Are for Glasgow, are you saying they will never riot due to poor socio-economic situations?

Am glad you have acknowledged that its not just about a flag.

Yes, and I did before you started posting in the thread too you may notice.

I am saying the people of Glasgow are very unlikely to riot over socio-economic reasons.

 

[Deleted member 115712]

This isn't just about a flag. It isn't just about removing the symbols of the PUL (protestant/Unionist/Loyalist) culture. This is about the on going ATTACK on the PUL communities and culture. The Flag is only the straw that broke the camels back.

Politicians are not doing their job in stormont as far as we can see for us. They let sinn fein / IRA walk all over them. They get whatever they want and do what ever they want. Unionist politicians are failing the PUL communities and the only way they can see to do something about it is going exactly the same route.

The people wont stop until the ongoing ethnic cleansing of the PUL communities is stopped.

 

[Mitzy]

I'm not denouncing their issues, I'm denoucning the actions of a minority who are ruining it for a large number of people and people here trying to justify them

QFR.

Lets put it like this, I collect my daughter every Friday after school. I live in North Belfast, my daughter attends school in South Belfast and I work in the City Centre.

Today while at work I get the following internal email.

Sent: 10 January 2013 12:56
To: Belfast - All
Subject: Major Protest Planned - Friday 11th
Importance: High

Good Afternoon all,

We have been informed by the police that tomorrow afternoon around 5pm there is going to be a major demonstration across the city with all routes including the motorways, main roads closed.

We understand the plan is to create an ring around the city to cause major disruption with no-one being able to travel in or out of the city.

It has not been confirmed how long the planned protest will last.

We would suggest that should you wish to leave the office earlier to avoid disruption please liaise with you line manager.

Please do not hesitate to contact any member of the HR team should you have any further questions or concerns

I defend the peoples right to protest, I do not defend a minorities right to obstruct the majority from going about their daily lives. Tomorrow I am unable to collect my daughter, I'm getting her on Saturday now, hardly fair for my daughter and I.

 

[teaboy5]

And why are they talking complete ****? Because they live in deprived areas where education is bottom of the barrel. There's no way out for most of those people. They were promised so much so they would go along with the GFA. And after 14 years, they're still right there. Poor, under-represented, under-educated and left behind. That doesn't make them scum. It makes them some of the most affected by the troubles and those that need the most help. They've all been lied to by their political representatives who get government wages while arguing about issues that cause social conflict instead of pulling their fingers out and bringing in jobs. And they can't bring in jobs because they do things like argue about flag issues which cause social conflict. There's also a lack of educated people for jobs. There's no manufacturing jobs. No building industry jobs since the economic crisis. It goes on and on. So this "it's just a flag" stuff, like I said earlier, is a stupid idiotic and asinine argument.



I never said anyone had the right to take anyones life. That's two people now who've made such a ****ing stupid statement about me. As for what it's about, go back and read my posts which you seem to have ignored.

It has nothing to do with the GFA. Stop living in the past! They are provided with the same education as the rest of the country. It's not our fault they decided to either not learn, go to school or make their own area that **** that no one wants to invest. Bringing in jobs? There are a good number of jobs going for anyone that wants them but the question is are they suitable for them? I think not.

Don't mistake me for being a snob, it's just simple facts. The same issues are all over the UK but painted with a different brush.

 

[Gerard]

Politicians are not doing their job in stormont as far as we can see for us. They let sinn fein / IRA walk all over them.

As opposed to Nationalists being walked all over for how long? I think it comes down to the fact that Loyalists\Unionists are so used to ruling the roost and getting their own way this is a rude awakening. This isn't the 1950's anymore and times are changing.

Congrats on the sinn fien \ IRA spiel btw, Wee Peter couldn't have spouted the same drivel any better himself.

 

[Mitzy]

This isn't just about a flag. It isn't just about removing the symbols of the PUL (protestant/Unionist/Loyalist) culture. This is about the on going ATTACK on the PUL communities and culture. The Flag is only the straw that broke the camels back.

Politicians are not doing their job in stormont as far as we can see for us. They let sinn fein / IRA walk all over them. They get whatever they want and do what ever they want. Unionist politicians are failing the PUL communities and the only way they can see to do something about it is going exactly the same route.

The people wont stop until the ongoing ethnic cleansing of the PUL communities is stopped.

Ethnic cleansing? Okay...

Belfast City Hall as a Government building represents the interests of it's constituents, the constituents voted for elected members to represent them. The flag is flown in accordance with the recommendations of the Good Friday Agreement as voted for by the majority of people here.

Your "PUL" needs to pull its so called head out of its rear end, because at the moment it's so far up their it can't smell the stink. Days of old are gone, the majority do not want this nonsense.

 

[Orcish-Horde]

The city and towns, order and reputation I'd imagine. Probably the people hospitalised as well.

In other words the superficial, no one has been killed or seriously injured. The police have got a lot of over time and some property has been damaged. A few politician will move home and likely lose a seat or two, come the next election. Maybe some will have to avoid a few protests on the way home or avoid Belfast city centre on Friday night. Not that much has been ruined given the underlining social problems, maybe if them social problems had been address non of this would have happened.

 

[Mitzy]

In other words the superficial, no one has been killed or seriously injured. The police have got a lot of over time and some property has been damaged. A few politician will move home and likely lose a seat or two, come the next election. Maybe some will have to avoid a few protests on the way home or avoid Belfast city centre on Friday night. Not that much has been ruined given the underlining social problems, maybe if them social problems had been address non of this would have happened.

What a wonderful world you live in, superficial, I'll remind all those stuck in the middle of it tomorrow. Thanks.

 

[Gerard]

Wonder how much revenue was generated over the last month for FLEG stores flogging their stock. A lot of Loyalist areas are already verging on the ridiculous with FLEGS dangling from virtually every possible vertical structure (often multiple FLEGS on the same lamp post), the FLEG drama has just put it into overdrive.

 

[Orcish-Horde]

Your "PUL" needs to pull its so called head out of its rear end, because at the moment it's so far up their it can't smell the stink. Days of old are gone, the majority do not want this nonsense.

Speak to your local city councilor and ask him not to vote on politically divisive issues, that alienate half a city and bulk of the surround area. Who is this majority you take of?

 

[ULP]

As opposed to Nationalists being walked all over for how long? I think it comes down to the fact that Loyalists\Unionists are so used to ruling the roost and getting their own way this is a rude awakening. This isn't the 1950's anymore and times are changing.

I think this is bang on!

 

[ULP]

 

[Mitzy]

One of the most pathetic sites I have witness in Belfast recently was when the decision was first reached. Belfast City Hall was hosting the Continental Markets, it attracts thousands of tourists and locals and brings millions into the City. So there was the market at the front, you had the tourists and the carefree happy locals at the front, then at the back you had these flag draped thugs smashing their way into the building at the rear sending staff fleeing for safety.

 

[estebanrey]

Why can't they they fly the Union flag AND the Irish flag?

Or is that too logical?

 

[Orcish-Horde]

What a wonderful world you live in, superficial, I'll remind all those stuck in the middle of it tomorrow. Thanks.

Ask them to talk to their local city councilor about divisive issues.

 

[Gerard]

Speak to your local city councilor and ask him not to vote on politically divisive issues, that alienate half a city and bulk of the surround area. Who is this majority you take of?

So flying a FLEG on certain days like most of the mainland UK somehow "alienates" protestants? What a load of utter ********.

 

[Deleted member 115712]

Ethnic cleansing? Okay...

Belfast City Hall as a Government building represents the interests of it's constituents, the constituents voted for elected members to represent them. The flag is flown in accordance with the recommendations of the Good Friday Agreement as voted for by the majority of people here.

Your "PUL" needs to pull its so called head out of its rear end, because at the moment it's so far up their it can't smell the stink. Days of old are gone, the majority do not want this nonsense.

The people I'm seeing voting for alliance are the PUL communities. They are the ones trying to move on and let things be as they are. They have put up with a lot the past number of years and have been backed into a corner.

The people of west Belfast arnt voting for alliance. They are voting for Sinn fein / IRA! They are the ones in the past! They are the ones constantly pushing the PUL communities hoping to get a retaliation and spell some bad press!

The people are speaking and the terrorists can do nothing about this now!

 

[Gerard]

Why can't they they fly the Union flag AND the Irish flag?

Or is that too logical?

I doubt most loyalists would have it, flying the Irish flag in the island of Ireland? Madness!

Personally i think they should just fly St Patricks saltire, after all thats what represents "Northern" Ireland on the Union flag in the first place, though i doubt many of the morons protesting would even know that fact.

 

[Deleted member 115712]

Why can't they they fly the Union flag AND the Irish flag?

Or is that too logical?

Why would they fly a flag from a foreign nation? And something that is very sensitive in this area? You clearly dont understand Northern Ireland..

 

[OhEsEcks]

It has nothing to do with the GFA.

Of course it does. Like I keep saying, people in deprived areas were promised lots of things to get them to go along with the GFA, promises that haven't been met. Hence the disillusionment within the communities with their political representatives.

Stop living in the past!

This kind of response is usually given by people born in and around the GFA who never experienced the social deprivation of entire communities during the troubles. Or live outside such areas (and being middle class snobs).

They are provided with the same education as the rest of the country.

Clearly they're not or they'd all be oh so enlightened as yourself.

It's not our fault they decided to either not learn, go to school or make their own area that **** that no one wants to invest.

No it's not our fault. And it's not their fault either. It was the generation previously. And the politicians who represent them today. The same politicians who twenty years ago were telling people in their communities not to talk to the police or telling people in their communities NEVER NEVER NEVER. Nobody wants to invest because we still have political parties playing communities off each other for their own gains and causing social conflict.

Bringing in jobs? There are a good number of jobs going for anyone that wants them but the question is are they suitable for them? I think not.

The job market in Northern Ireland is abysmal like I already said in the post your quoted. There are jobs going for the ones who are QUALIFIED for them. The answer to your question is people are not suitable because the education provided in the affected areas isn't good enough.

Don't mistake me for being a snob, it's just simple facts. The same issues are all over the UK but painted with a different brush.

Simple facts? What facts? You've provided no facts, just stated opinion. The same issues are across the UK, but then the rest of the UK didn't live under a heavily militarised presence until just 12 years ago, the rest of the UK didn't suffer the same social problems Northern Ireland did and to try and compare Northern Ireland's social problems to the rest of the UK is stupid.