Rooney - 2 B Sold

[BaZ87]

I thought saying that Ferguson and Man Utd don't match his ambition was incredibly short sighted and disrespectful. Also getting his people to spread rumours in the media which put mountains of pressure on the club that made him. Basically he's kicked up this ****storm for no sensible reason. I don't see why any of this was necessary and it certainly didn't need to enter the public domain months away from the nearest transfer window.

Also, it's plain to see that he has also not been giving 100% for United on the pitch recently, people have been saying it even before this news came out. That's also incredibly disrespectful considering his wages.

Also, contradicting Ferguson to the press knowing full well what he was doing, that was another low blow.

Was he being short sighted and disrespectful to Everton when he left for Utd? No. Some Utd fans may not want to accept it but Utd are no longer the dominant force in English football, it's not that controversial that he now wants to move to a club where he believes he'll win more in the future and quite possibly earn more money.

Nobody knows where the stories were leaked so you can't hold that against him. Equally I wouldn't say theres been a lack of effort on his part; he's not played well but I can't say I've noticed a lack of desire on his part. After all, according to Fergie, he wants to play despite being injured. Not the actions of a man that's not pulling his weight.

And finally his 'injury'. Who knows the truth there. Maybe he has got a knock but doesn't consider it an injury that will keep him from playing or maybe he's not injured. It wouldn't be the first time Fergie's lied about a player being injured.

edit: I'm not sure what you're getting at with your edit

It's Utd that are refusing to make further comment on the situation, not Rooney. As far as we know, nothing has changed from Rooney's point of view.

 

[Loki]

arguably you would say that signing, Rio - as the best central defender in england?

Rooney as the best prospect in england?

tried with Ronaldinho, just about failed? tried with Veron but he was the wrong man for the job.

Now, we dont even sign the best player in england, let alone the best english players. which is why i detailed signings like Carrick, who we paid a pretty penny for, yet arent even part of the international first 11?

Rio... captain.. Rooney, no1 striker...carrick...left back at old trafford? (oops he actually got shirt 22 and barely got a sniff)

as a sign of the new mentality, we would rather throw down 6mill on Bebe than push the boat out and spend the extra on VdV for instance. he isnt the best in the world, but at least he gets into the international line up even as 2nd choice centre midfield, he is still miles better than carrick and 1/3 the cost!

Nick the problem you have is that you think Real Football works like Computer football, put the highest bid in, offer to pay the highest wages etc, book them and they will come.

We can't buy the best player in every position because the best players dont always want to come to us or Liverpool or Arsenal or Chelsea or Barca or Bayern or AC.

Of course we all want to see players like Ronaldhinio signing for us when he was at his absolute best. It's fair to say we offered more money and we offered better wages, did the Player want to come, did he ****. Oh for Every Ronaldiniho there is a Fabio Canavarro, Gabriel Batistuta, Ariel Ortega, Frank De Boer, Edgar Davids, Patrick Kluivert, Jean Pierre Papin who was at one time in their career truly world class, we bid for and failed to sign.

You keep citing that we are wrong to buy young talent yet if I am not mistaken ( and I am sure this will pee off a lot of opposing fans) but Ronaldo a few years ago was absolutely world class. Yes there were the Messi's Gerrards, Lampards, Torress etc but Ronaldo was world class and head and shoulders above his peers. Amazing that such young talent was bought before he reached such heights and we didn't have to pay a kings ransom for such potential.

It goes without saying that no Utd fan worth his salt wants the amount of debt the club is saddled with. Especially when you consider that some if not all the money could be reinvested into the club.

We all want the cream of the crop and we all want the best talent on display. What I want is the best team in England over 11 mercenaries wearing a red shirt any day of the week. Give me 11 Hungry young lads desperate for success willing to bust a gut for the club and his team mates and the fans. more importantly give me a player who knows his value, knows he is world class and is willing to stick around and fight to make the team better. What we want as fans and what players want is fastly becoming two worlds apart.

 

[dannyjo22]

Indeed, sounds to me that there is still a chance that'll he'll sign an extension. Suppose we'll find out soon enough. Even if he does, he's come out of this absolutely awfully.

Not to the people wearing yellow and green he isn't. He's saying what they are all thinking. That the glaziers are sucking so much money out the club the bigger players are going elsewhere.

. Also getting his people to spread rumours in the media which put mountains of pressure on the club that made him. ges.

Also, contradicting Ferguson to the press knowing full well what he was doing, that was another low blow.

Spread rumours in the media? How exactly. All he did was say he wasn't signing a new deal. You have no idea who leaked that to the press. He didn't make a statement until fergie did.

Pressure on the club that made him? I'd argue he was already made before he got to United and hasn't progressed since he joined much if at all.

Fergie is a bully, a falling out was bound to happen because rooney is a knuckle dragger like Keane, they are not the sort of people to sit quietly on a changing room bench while an old man bawls at them. Smacking Beckham round the head with a boot is all well and good but it's a much poor handling by Fergie to treat someone who was obviously going to react in this way as it is Rooneys fault for wanting a move.

Poor man management.

 

[jakeke]

Was he being short sighted and disrespectful to Everton when he left for Utd? No. Some Utd fans may not want to accept it but Utd are no longer the dominant force in English football, it's not that controversial that he now wants to move to a club where he believes he'll win more in the future and quite possibly earn more money.

Nobody knows where the stories were leaked so you can't hold that against him. Equally I wouldn't say theres been a lack of effort on his part; he's not played well but I can't say I've noticed a lack of desire on his part. After all, according to Fergie, he wants to play despite being injured. Not the actions of a man that's not pulling his weight.

And finally his 'injury'. Who knows the truth there. Maybe he has got a knock but doesn't consider it an injury that will keep him from playing or maybe he's not injured. It wouldn't be the first time Fergie's lied about a player being injured.

edit: I'm not sure what you're getting at with your edit

It's Utd that are refusing to make further comment on the situation, not Rooney. As far as we know, nothing has changed from Rooney's point of view.

No, but moving from Everton to Man Utd is a move upwards, moving from Man Utd to Man City is a move down. When he moved to Man Utd they had just gone through a ridiculously successful spell, Man City haven't won anything for over 30 years.

Obviously I don't personally know, but plenty of journalists have said that it was his people that leaked the information to them at the weekend. Also there has been a pretty vocal questionning of his attitude since the season began from Man Utd fans, there have been several posts on here to that tune

Also, my edit was in regard to his statement yesterday where he confirmed he was leaving the club due to lack of ambition. If he does indeed stay at the club, how on earth do you think that for 2 months and then suddenly change your mind? He's seemed pretty certain throughout this, Ferguson described him as being 'adament' in his decision. So if he stays you have to wonder what the hell has changed since last night's statement, imo it's either more money (what I think this is all about), or maybe his statement was truthful, and United have promised him more investment.

 

[Loki]

Not to the people wearing yellow and green he isn't. He's saying what they are all thinking. That the glaziers are sucking so much money out the club the bigger players are going elsewhere.



Spread rumours in the media? How exactly. All he did was say he wasn't signing a new deal. You have no idea who leaked that to the press. He didn't make a statement until fergie did.

Pressure on the club that made him? I'd argue he was already made before he got to United and hasn't progressed since he joined much if at all.

Fergie is a bully, a falling out was bound to happen because rooney is a knuckle dragger like Keane, they are not the sort of people to sit quietly on a changing room bench while an old man bawls at them. Smacking Beckham round the head with a boot is all well and good but it's a much poor handling by Fergie to treat someone who was obviously going to react in this way as it is Rooneys fault for wanting a move.

Poor man management.

Looks like you have been waiting for this day for a very very long time along with some of your other Evertonians. Revenge as they say is a dish best served cold or have you always been so bitter

Poor man management and Fergusons a Bully ? the same manager who has stood by not only Rooney but countless other players in the past for their indiscretions. The same bad manager who pundits, pro's and ex players have all said would be the best to bring Rooney out of his slump.

The Only person who is at fault here is Rooney. Couldn't keep his **** in his pants. He's a footballer for gods sake and an extremely well paid one at that. Despite his looks he could still s**g pretty much any 10/10 bird he wanted to for free because he is a professional permiership footballer. Yet the stupid tool decides to pay for it on many many occasions AND get caught in the public eye TWICE.

His form suffers and now he is having a crisis of confidence. But no BAD FERGIE, Shame on you for bullying him. Shame on Utd for not matching Rooneys apparent ambition.

When Rooney and Paul Stretford instigated talks with United in March/April this year about signing a new deal to take him to his 30th Birthday, I wonder what has happened in the mean time. Has Gill all of a sudden gone back to the pair and said we will never sign any more players ??? We wont compete for trophys. Some people seem to think it is a lack of ambition when Fergie says we wont compete with Manchester City for players. Its the reality i'm afraid and there are only a handful of clubs who can compete with them

 

[Nate75]

oh dear tbh.

Even if you tried to see it from Roony's point of view you have to struggle when seeing the dollies fly out the pram when playing for England recently.

It makes this beyond a falling out with the club.

 

[One More Solo]

I'm sure everyone's seen Team America - there's only one way Fergie's going to let him stay at United.

 

[BaZ87]

No, but moving from Everton to Man Utd is a move upwards, moving from Man Utd to Man City is a move down. When he moved to Man Utd they had just gone through a ridiculously successful spell, Man City haven't won anything for over 30 years.

Obviously I don't personally know, but plenty of journalists have said that it was his people that leaked the information to them at the weekend. Also there has been a pretty vocal questionning of his attitude since the season began from Man Utd fans, there have been several posts on here to that tune.

You're just assuming things that you have no knowledge of now. Nobody knows if he wants to join City. For all we know he could be wanting to move to Chelsea or Real. Until Rooney joins City or we know for certain that he's moving elsewhere for money, you can't hold that against him.

As for his attitude; like i said, if he's injured and wants to play that speaks volumes. He's not playing well but all the off-field issues may have something to do with that.

And I've not seen a single journo say Rooney's camp leaked the stories. Surely if they were to, it would have been better to do it while the transfer window was open, allowing them to a chance to force a move then.

Also, my edit was in regard to his statement yesterday where he confirmed he was leaving the club due to lack of ambition. If he does indeed stay at the club, how on earth do you think that for 2 months and then suddenly change your mind? He's seemed pretty certain throughout this, Ferguson described him as being 'adament' in his decision. So if he stays you have to wonder what the hell has changed since last night's statement, imo it's either more money (what I think this is all about), or maybe his statement was truthful, and United have promised him more investment.

There's no indication that he's changed his mind and will stay though

 

[Tom84]

Just got back from Manchester where I was at the game last night (very disappointing game fyi) I like many other supporters were inside the stadium when the Rooney statement was released and obviously it was totally contradictory - Rooney saying we couldn't match his ambitions but on the other hand admitting Fergie always wins trophies

Anyway things have obviously progressed to this latest announcement; many think the club and Rooney's representatives are simply trying to work out an amicable way of moving him on outside of the transfer window. On the one hand I'd love to say the damage has been done and I want him out of the club but lets face it he's one of the top players in the world and he wont be the last to have been badly advised by his agent (who stands to make 5 million if he can get him transferred) so if a contract agreement can be sorted out then fantastic IMO as I'd much rather have him in the team than not.

If he is to be sold though it cannot be to another premiership team and if that's the only teams he'll consider then let him rot in the reserves for the remaining 18 months of his contract.

 

[Patient Keeper]

Most laughable thing I've ever heard, anyone questioning the ambition of a man like Ferguson or a club like Man Utd - in any sport - needs to come back to the real world.

 

[BaZ87]

badly advised by his agent (who stands to make 5 million if he can get him transferred)

This is something that I've always said needs to change. How can an agent give honest advice if he stands to make several £m (in Rooney's case or any other high profile player) or a fraction of that if he signs a new deal?

 

[Tom84]

This is something that I've always said needs to change. How can an agent give honest advice if he stands to make several £m (in Rooney's case or any other high profile player) or a fraction of that if he signs a new deal?

Exactly and you would have thought that a grown man (24) would be able to see that for themselves yet time and time again players are badly advised and move clubs when it's clear for all to see that it's not for the good of their careers.

 

[dannyjo22]

Looks like you have been waiting for this day for a very very long time along with some of your other Evertonians. Revenge as they say is a dish best served cold or have you always been so bitter

Poor man management and Fergusons a Bully ? the same manager who has stood by not only Rooney but countless other players in the past for their indiscretions.

Bitter, If I cared my frustration would be at Rooney not Manu. Most Evertonians I know would be happy to see him in pain. I don't harbour any grudges against either, I was angry for a week and moved on. I understood why he did it and understand again.

By poor man management I mean this fall out was supposed to have started in the dressing room with Fergie getting in his face and rooney giving it right back to him ten fold. That's if the rumours are to be believed and why not everyone else is happy to believe any rumour as long as it paints rooney negatively.

You don't need to be Einstein to understand getting in Rooneys face like that in the dressing room would not work in the same way it would Beckhams. Rooney would be more likely to break his nose because he can't control his temper as well as a giggs and is unlikely to back down.

Poor man management, Fergie knows one way. Shout and threaten. Which works with kids that won't give it back but not with someone like Rooney.

 

[Patient Keeper]

Yeah I suppose Ferguson has never had to manage a hot tempered player before, it must all be Ferguson's fault.

The story is: Rooney is a total moron. That's it. I bet Utd come back even stronger next season, they always do when something like this happens.

 

[BaZ87]

Yeah I suppose Ferguson has never had to manage a hot tempered player before, it must all be Ferguson's fault.

The story is: Rooney is a total moron. That's it. I bet Utd come back even stronger next season, they always do when something like this happens.

Why is it so hard to believe that Rooney wants to move to a club where he feels he has more chance of being successful?

As I said in a previous post, Utd are no longer the force they were in England. A very good case could be made to say that Rooney has more chance of being successful (or more successful) by joining a number of different clubs.

Rooney left Everton to join Utd for success and/or money and it's ok but if Rooney wants to leave Utd for those reasons he's a moron?

 

[dannyjo22]

Yeah I suppose Ferguson has never had to manage a hot tempered player before, it must all be Ferguson's fault.

Like who?

Keane, well they fell out in the end when his form dipped. He himself has said this week he was lied to by Ferguson towards the end.

Still I doubt he ever got in Keanes face infront of the rest of the team.

Who else of a firey nature had fergie managed and not have them **** off elsewhere?

I can't think of anyone who then didn't get shipped out asap.

 

[Jokester]

Cross Fergie and your career at Man Utd is over. There is no exception that I can think of.

 

[Gribs]

No, but moving from Everton to Man Utd is a move upwards, moving from Man Utd to Man City is a move down. When he moved to Man Utd they had just gone through a ridiculously successful spell, Man City haven't won anything for over 30 years.

It hardly matters what's been won in the past if what he cares about is future ambition. He may have asked what's happening in regard to replacing Scholes, Giggs, Ferdinand and VdS without getting a decent answer. With the current stupidity of transfer fees it'd cost well over £100m to even get close and Utd don't seem to have the will or money to do that.

City may not win anything but they certainly can't be accused of lacking ambition.

 

[dannyjo22]

Cross Fergie and your career at Man Utd is over. There is no exception that I can think of.

Me either, he caused the problem with Beckham too, not the other way around. He cut his head then went off on one because he didn't hide the damage.

The bloke is very successfull but he's also a bully.

As I said bad management of someone like Rooney, especially when you already know what happened at Everton with Moyes who remember took advice from Fergie on handling him at Everton.

 

[BaZ87]

Cross Fergie and your career at Man Utd is over. There is no exception that I can think of.

Certainly has been the case but I honestly think Fergie realises how important it is to keep Rooney given the situation at Utd and if Rooney wanted to, he could stay.

Given Fergie's age, pending retirement and Utd's finances, there's certainly a argument to be made that Rooney is more important to Utd than Fergie is.

And before any Mancs get upset, I'm just saying it could be argued