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RTX 4070 12GB, is it Worth it?

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gpuerrilla said:
Your sidestepping the point, they were the most efficient cards; but if it was such a "number one factor" then this would have been reflected. These AMD cards have been getting cheaper over the past year to make it better value. Hence the point its suddenly a great reason to splash the cash when all other features basically cost tons more this gen. The 6700/6700XT/6750XT would be my pick over the 3070 which were not low end cards... and been available for ages.
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We have had high energy prices since late 2021,so that means until a few weeks ago all these energy effiency champions would be buying the cheaper and more efficient AMD dGPUs,right? Nope they were buying the more expensive and generally less efficient Nvidia dGPUs. So apparently energy effiency isn't important. It was the same rubbish over a decade ago. When the HD4870 made the GTX200 series look overpriced,suddenly because they consumed a bit less power it was important.Fast forward to the HD5000 series,suddenly energy efficiency wasn't important,because Fermi drank power. I could even understand SFF PC owners,but even then you saw many shoehorning even Fermi cards into builds. Reminds me of "you are holding your iPhone wrong" when Nvidia consumes more power and people will literally make any accommodation and throw money at it to solve any problems. When AMD does,its suddenly it's breaking news. The same as the drivers are crap - even back in the ATI 9000 series,when the rubbish FX had terrible drivers and horrible DX9 performance(even Valve told people to buy the ATI 9000 series for Half Life 2),people just bought the FX series.

Now they are more efficient again,after a few years they are talking again about power consumption,just because it is probably in the review guide.Then desperately justifying a 44% performance improvement over an RTX3060TI for 60% more money.

The power consumption is low because it is literally a rebranded 60 series dGPU. I told PCMR gamers were some of the weakest,most marketing influenced consumers I have ever seen in my life. The marketing literally makes them flip-flop.

Consoles doing upscaling/image reconstruction,made them the source of derision from Elite PCMR because consoles were too weak. Now Nvidia/AMD are doing it,suddenly it's the biggest thing. You had people knocking on the "smooth motion" technology used in AV to make movies look smoother. Suddenly it happens in games,and it's the bestest thing ever. It appears too many PC parts have become lifestyle products.

PCMR mocked Apple fans a lot. I think that was unfair as they seem to have more sense nowadays than PCMR! PCMR - should stand for PC Marketing influenced Race now. A literal inversion of how things used to be decades ago.
 
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gpuerrilla said:
Your sidestepping the point, they were the most efficient cards; but if it was such a "number one factor" then this would have been reflected. These AMD cards have been getting cheaper over the past year to make it better value. Hence the point its suddenly a great reason to splash the cash when all other features basically cost tons more this gen. The 6700/6700XT/6750XT would be my pick over the 3070 which were not low end cards... and been available for ages.
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Nvidia 30 series was generally more power efficient than the RX 6000 series, even without factoring in DLSS. It's only really the RX 6800 that was a standout card with a reasonable level of performance, but hard to buy something that didn't exist. If you cared about energy efficiency, the 3070 was without doubt the card to get due to DLSS.

If we ignore the new gen cards, 7 of the top 10 most efficient cards were Nvidia.
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Rup said:
Well went for the Asus 4070 MSRP card in the end for my second pc. Only play a few games and all support frame gen which is an excellent feature.
Nice small card, low power usage, great for my ITX case.
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Is that the dual? Looks like one of the best cards, nice size and supposed to be VERY quiet if using the bios switch.
 
Let’s face it. Every sku in the RTX40 series just doesn’t pair up with the 4090. The 4090 is the only worth while card to get to date. And doubtful anything comes along after this will match the value 4090 offers. Unless they do a super refresh and cut prices

And AMD offerings are even worse in terms of £/perf…it’s duopoly market basically and we are getting shafted
 
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Eddie99 said:
Except it's not really all of a sudden though is it. In this poll before the new GPUs were released, power consumption and efficiency was voted as the number one factor for deciding their next GPU purchase.
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I think people were hoping for efficiency but they didn't mean an efficiency gain by taking a lower performing lower end SKU and pricing/naming it 2 tiers higher.
 
Rup said:
Well went for the Asus 4070 MSRP card in the end for my second pc. Only play a few games and all support frame gen which is an excellent feature.
Nice small card, low power usage, great for my ITX case.
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Any coil whine? I got the MSI Ventus for the other half and the coil whine is atrocious, waiting to hear back from OCUK whether I can get a replacement.
 
Calin Banc said:
Even that value is not necessary there. It feels like there aren't really good options outside the crazy price of 4090.
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The only dGPUs which seem OK value are the RX6600/A750 when they are around £230ish and the odd RX6700XT deal when its closer to £300. After that the price/performance seems to go out of whack.
 
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
RX6600/A750
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I disagree, the 6700 XT and 6700 were good value as 1440p cards for a long time, and still are. It's only games released in the last 12 months, that have really challenged the 6700 XT.

This isn't really reflected on these forums, because many people here are targeting 4K performance (which is still very expensive).

It's predictable that their Navi 32 successors will offer good value when they eventually release, also, with the best silicon offering 60 Compute Units.
 
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g67575 said:
I disagree, the 6700 XT and 6700 were good value as 1440p cards for a long time, and still are. It's only games released in the last 12 months, that have really challenged the 6700 XT.

This isn't really reflected on these forums, because many people here are targeting 4K performance (which is still very expensive).

It's predictable that their Navi 32 successors will offer good value when they eventually release, also, with the best silicon offering 60 Compute Units.
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I mentioned the RX6700XT when it's closer to £300? The A750/RX6600 have dipped under £230. Seen B-grade ones for under £200.

The RX6700XT is 50% faster,so at £200~£230ish for the A750/RX6600,that means once the RX6700XT hits under £350,it similar price/performance.

The RX6700 non-XT 10GB is long gone. Seen those for as low as £290ish.

WRT,to Navi 32. It's pricing will be dependent on how well the RTX4070 sells,and whether Nvidia will be forced to reduce the price. Because if the RTX4070 12GB stays closer to £600,even if AMD gets within a few percent of it,they may end up selling it for £500. So ultimately again Nvidia is messing up the entire market.

If they had actually price reduced the Ampere cards even a bit,we would also have had cheaper RDNA2 cards. Might have even seen the RX6700XT for £300 or under. But an RX6700XT costs about the same as the RTX3060 12GB and demolishes it in many games.
 
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Minusorange said:
The problem is for the cost of the 4090 I could buy a PS5, Xbox and Switch and probably have some money left over so I wouldn't really say it offers much value :cry:
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yeah you can have all the gaming hardware you like and still have £400 in the pocket to buy whatever games/drive/accessories you like.

PC gaming is dead at this rate especially with the vram debacle with the newer games
 
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